What would be the result if the United States leaves Iraq and ends the war?

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The result is another lawless Afghanistan.
Basically a play ground for Iran, and terrorist militias.
Thats if they withdraw now.

 

How would leaving Iraq to the Iraqis have an impact on Afghanistan?

The most immediate impact it would have if we leave before the Iraqi government signs the Profit Sharing Agreements is that it will piss off the international oil interests.

 

What I meant is, Iraq will become like Afghanistan, controlled by militias and terrorists.

 

it will be total war between the two sects for control, infact they are just waiting for the U.S to leave

 

A massacre. You'll have the Sunni's and Shiite's wrestling for control, and a lot of violence spurned merely by the fear of the other side striking first. The govt. might keep control for a while, but it'll blow up sooner or later.

Pretty much, the US will do what they did in Vietnam; turn all the control over to the national govt, withdrawal our troops, and then watch the country collapse a couple years later. But hey, life's a bitch.

 

Same thing that happened when the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam in 72, officially 1974.

The Commies Win!

Or

In this case, the islamic extremists win.

In the end, the U.S. still loses hundreds of billions.

 

the government is essentially a group of milita leaders who don't agree on much and whom have no loyalty to the us

 

True, they could become a third party to the fighting. We're all forgetting about the Kurds of course...They might actually come out for the better, because they're doing alright now so the country falling apart would affect them less. And they've always wanted their own homeland.

 

The sad thing is that Shia and Sunni got along fine until we came along. IIRC, it was Paul Wolfowitz who deliberately began pitting the two against each other. I believe this was discussed in the Frontline documentary Bush's War. In effect, our forces switched sides repeatedly, first fighting, then supporting/supplying/aiding, then again fighting Sunni Baathists, stirring up issues that had pretty much been laid to rest. In the documentary, it claimed that our "switching sides" so often in Iraq was pure Wolfowitz, he did it without any approval from anyone anywhere, then got a medal for having the courage to do such an outrageous thing.

 

Aren't we still in Afghanistan? It would come as a surprise to the US forces there that we have left. What has this administration even said about the situation there lately. Seems as though it easily became a second level priority.

Our presence there has allowed Al Qaeda to move back and forth between Pakistan and Afghanistan, and the poppy industry has bloomed once more. We have accomplished what there?

 

Iraq is old thousands of years old the U.S. occupation will just be a very short period in their time line.

Politically they have always called that area the shifting sands due to constant political takeovers I’m sure it will go back to that. Saddam was one of the few who had enough power to take over and unite that many sects, groups (or what every they call them there).

With Saddam gone when the military leaves I’m sure it will all break apart. There is no way the U.S. can set up a puppet government to keep together something like that.

Will it be so horrible for life to go back to what is has been for thousands of years for them?

Are those people really “Terrorist”?

Or is that just a propaganda phrase the U.S. government throws out there for and excuse to occupy and steal oil?

 

Pre-invasion Afghanistan wasn't any better.
You havent done much, but its better to kill a dormant disease than leave it spread out until it becomes active and its too late.
And I am referring to the terrorists at that.

 

Ah, but Iraq the country is not old at all. Pretty much all the borders in the middle east were drawn up by Europeans, explaining why there are so many rival groups thrown in together.

 

Cut infant mortality by 18%, raised the percentage of girls in school from 3% to 35%, helped set up a democratic government, brought millions of refugees home.

And yet you never noticed any of it. I wonder why.

 

Afghanistan has come a long way under our guidance. Their military is now armed with more advanced sticks, slingshots, and mudballs. Adultresses are stoned to death with smaller rocks than just a century ago. Afghan scientists have discovered dirt and sand, and are quickly working on implementing an advanced new technology called "the lever." They even have a space program now, and expect to successfully launch a bottle rocket by 2045. Life expectancy is up to 22 years now.

I exaggerate a bit, but I saw a Republican Party activist on CSPAN recently who emphatically stated (he'd served three years in the Afghan war) that there has been zero progress in that country since the day the first forces arrived. The interviewer asked him how Americans can get reliable information about what's really happening there. He answered, "the only way to get accurate information about Afghanistan is to enlist, pick up a gun, and go there for yourself."

But he was a Bush supporter, so apparently the goal itself is to not make progress, but just to keep the war and its funding flowing.

 

Please define terrorist. I've been waiting for a definition since Bush launched his war on them. It's vague term open to various interpretations, not something I want to wage wars based on.

We didn't kill anything in Afghanistan, we bought a government and let the boogeyman escape. Poppy cultivation has prospered under the government we put into power, tribal affiliations have grown. What disease did we deal with? If this was breast cancer, the victim would be dying.

 

Wow. Yes I was aware, but while these huge advances have taken place the infrastructure of Alghanistan has fallen apart, poppy production has increased, and what sort of jobs do these girls look forward to? I also question how the statistics were arrived at.

But I suggest you read this:

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k4/5.htm

 

Back to Iraq. What are we proposing that we will accomplish? Not familiar with a clear outline on that either.

What we have done is: kill many, disrupt the infrastructure, allow the looting of national treasures. And allowed Chalabi to once more be a player. I feel so proud.

 

Whatever happens,we will be seen again(Viet Nam) as power-hungry fools sticking our noses(guns,planes,our young) someplace we were not wanted.If those people want to live in the 14th century,so be it.Looks like we,the citizens,never learn that we are supposedly the government.So basically we have given our elected representitives permission to go anywhere to do anything and we don't care.What kind of democracy do we try to force on other countries?That whomever has the most money gets to make all the rules?That's how it runs here.These percentages bandied about regarding improvments in the countries and citizens we bomb and kill ---bullshit!!Anyone that trusts govt statistics is a damn fool.