The Universe

The Universe.

What.. you think the universe is all there is... ?

If the universe is all there is. how did it come to be as 'organised'.
Organised structures just dont pop out of nothing.

God.. or a greater reality..?
If god. How did he get experience. ???? How did 'he' learn to make.

Thus, a greater reality.

I suggest a 'god' made this universe.
A fishtank in a greater reality.
And said god.. an intelligent fool, coke bottle glasses and all.

Occam

 

thats just the known, the unknown is the biggest part of the universe

 

i don't think we'll ever know for sure... no one will ever know everything. There is always something to learn, always something to discover.

 

Education is a progressive discovery of our ignorance

Occam

 

interesting possibility. perhapse there is something that has always been, that the coming and going of universes is some sort of isolated instances of, or, convesely, instances of consiquences of.

we do know we are capable of feeling things we don't have to know to experience.

it is perfectly possible to stub our toes on things no living sentient awairness anywhere in this universe or any other ever had any idea ever would, could or did exist.

i do believe in it being so big, that everything that has ever been known by anything that has the capacity to know anything, might never know, nor ever have known, more then the tineyest fraction of it.

and that certainly doesn't ruel out the possibility of much of anything at all existing.

it just doesn't auger well for the probability of accuracy of anything we might speculate about what we can feel and experience without having to know.

=^^=
.../\...

 

Polish

And thats the joy of life.

Occam

 

Themnax

Those critters with sharp teeth are not the product of athiestic 'chance'
As we both know.
The world is mystery. The wise embrace it. To lay down in the fallen leaves and stare at the sky in wonder. THAT is living.
The fearfull try to make it lego blocks, and rush to their next
corporate meeting.

Occam

 

As above, so below.

Nature mimics what is in the higher realms. Physical laws are just an extension of the organizing forces that give all of creation shape and form.

To see the universe as being a bubble in a great sea of consciousness is not beyond imagination.

Because in a way, this world is imagination itself.



x

 

...weaved into happening by vibrating geometric thought bubbles

 

Heres an interesting conundrum that comes from the quantum mechanical formalism. In recent years it seems to becoming increasingly apparent that there is some fundamental importance to quantum mechanics, the idea of wavefunction collapse is a one of the aspects of quantum mechanics that really captures the imagination because it is so counter intuitive. Interpretation of wavefunction collpase is increasingly based around something called quantum decoherence though this doesnt really affect my example.
Every 'system' can be described by a wavefunction, very simple examples can be done by hand, by simple example I mean the hydrogen atom, or at a pinch helium. Computers can numerically work out the wavefunctions for some atomic structures, but in principle there exists a wavefunction for everything, from and atom to a person to a star. There is also a wavefunction for the whole universe, obviously we can never write down such a thing explicit but it exists never the less. Now a system cannot collapse its own wavefunction, that must be done by an outside measurement. Well the universe has a wavefunction and we're existing as definite thing to observe it. So what exactly is causing the universe to exist?

 

An observer

But the turtle stack still requires thought.
Maybe we should take the advice of Ted Arroway.
'small moves Ellie, small moves'

 

you know ive thought a lot about what the universe is. i believe its a living organism thats made up of other living organism and structures and all that good stuff, all working together, knowingly or not, because they're pushed by some unkown force to want to be alive. the organisms on the lower levels allow the organisms on the higher levels to exist by building them up, and the organisms on higher levels allow the lower level organisms to exist by giving them the energy to play themselves out. its something like that. kinda like how our body works. each one of our cells is like an individual universe, by the former meaning of the word. and they work together on the same level with other cells around them to make up a tissue. then our tissues are like the next level up of entities, acting as an individual even though really its thousands of individuals. and our tissues work on the same level with the other tissues around it to make up our organs, organs together to make organ systems, organ systems to make the organism. and organisms should work together with other organisms to make our planet a whole, but us humans dont do to good a part of that. anyway i think thats how the universe works, from electrons and quarks making atoms, all the way up to galaxies making the universe, and our universe making up a part of the bigger universe that its just an electron to.
edit: oh yeah i almost forgot a big part of what the universe is, the force behind it all. why does everything exist? to not not exist? no, because non existece is just the other part of existence, together making up everything, so if you didnt exist you'd still be stuck as a part of everything. so why would it exist and what drives it to keep existing? and what drives the thing that drives existence to keep existing? itself. i think it exists, and continues too, simply because it wants to. thats the driving force behind the universe i believe, want.

 

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good post

 

The complexity of the universe suggests a divine intelligence behind it. Nevertheless, we have always used God, or gods to explain what we did not understand. Once it was believed that Yahweh or Zeus caused storms. Now we know what causes storms. We do not know what caused the big band. In the future, perhaps we will.

 

Glenn Miller caused the big band.


x

 

I don't see any sense in postulating a place outside of the universe, especially given that our concept of "place" is a property of this universe. You could never get to another universe, or the two universes wouldn't be separate and thus would be one universe.

For me the universe is simply mind, or what we think of as energy. Things seem solid because that's how the dream seems -- it doesn't mean anything. It's all one big self-aware field of mind, kind of like The Blob.

 

this is amazing. But what causes that driving force? That need we all have to survive and learn?
I believe its something "divine"... something bigger than existance.

 

I guess it would be impossible to "go" to another "universe"... because everything about it, the laws of physics, gravity (if that even exists there), thought, etc. would be different. More different then anything any of us could imagine or wrap our human minds around.
Yet... I still think its possible. I want to see what's out there. I want to see things no one else ever has... experience things no one ever has. I want to see and learn things my brain can't even comprehend... it that makes sense...

 

In a sense you're already seeing and experiencing things no one else ever has, as no one has ever seen things through your eyes before. And your brain can't comprehend anything you see -- that's why we have science. Nobody knows what the hell is going on here.

 

Moomooman and I are on the same wavelength of idealism, I personally conjoin the universe with what we call eternity. To do that I look not out, but in or even just down to the smallest organisms. I think to myself these organisms exist because they do, not necessarily because they want to, but just because they do, to say they want to and do is a whole other discussion, but they do, that I know as far as I can throw my self. Then I say they can see or feel or sense that they are doing, and beyond them there is something, if they can see, maybe they see ants right, and those ant see a spider and those spiders see a cat and those cats see us and we see space and space sees the universe and the universe sees what it sees and so and and so forth period. That is what I see as matter of matter, for me to speculate would not do the vision of that as eternity any good, that is eternity to me, that is what we live in, and position doesn't really matter at all as long as you do what you feel is good and just. If you want to kill somebody for hurting your son then you go ahead, who is to stop you? Time won't stop you, death won't stop you, you are here, so why not do what ever you want to. I get the feeling the universe does what it wants to. Fear is what makes people think that the universe is the only thing there is, fear makes people want to be the only people that can exist, but you have to see that all of it is for you basically, yea be kind to your neighbor, spread the love, but never forget that what you see, is exactly what those 'manmade' words imply, they are your visions and I pray that nobody takes that for granted, inside of your mind is all this eternity going on and your eternity is intertwinded with mine, Einsteins, the first walking thing on Earth, but it is still your journey through, space, time, life, death, fly, swim, gym, him, her, yes, no, did or didn't. Either you know or you don't. What you know is up to you.