This is what gang violence is. . .

"This is what gang violence is, and people don't really want to hear this. But what it is, it's like somebody shoots your friend or family member. Of course you're going to retaliate. It's like what the United States does, but aint nobody shot their family member. Like for instance..... say somebody's bombing schools in Bosnia. The US steps in and is like, 'We gotta go handle this'. This country was founded on gangs. The FBI... the CIA... these are gangs. I had a correctional officer tell me, straight up, 'We're the most powerful gang in New York State'. Straight up."

Tupac Shakur

Your thoughts?

 

sounds about right

 

This is neither news nor interesting. But then facts seldom are.

 

The only thing i have to say about Tupac is FUCK HIM live like a thug die like a thug.

 

How is it not interesting? Government workers referring to themselves as the most powerful gang in New York creates a very real idea of us vs them which most people deny exists.

 

It had to be flashin' like the daily double
It had to be playin' on TV
It had to be loud mouthed on the comedy hour
It had to be announced over loud speakers

The CIA and the Mafia are in cahoots

It had to be said in old ladies' language
It had to be said in American headlines
Kennedy stretched and smiled and got double crossed by lowlife goons and agents
Rich bankers with criminal connections
Dope pushers in CIA working with dope pushers from Cuba working with a
big time syndicate from Tampa, Florida
And it had to be said with a big mouth

It had to be moaned over factory foghorns
It had to be chattered on car radio news broadcasts
It had to be screamed in the kitchen
It had to be yelled in the basement where uncles were fighting

It had to be howled on the streets by newsboys to bus conductors
It had to be foghorned into New York harbor
It had to echo onto hard hats
It had to turn up the volume in university ballrooms

It had to be written in library books, footnoted
It had to be in the headlines of the Times and Le Monde
It had to be barked on TV
It had to be heard in alleys through ballroom doors

It had to be played on wire services
It had to be bells ringing
Comedians stopped dead in the middle of a joke in Las Vegas

It had to be FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover and Frank Costello syndicate
mouthpiece meeting in Central Park, New York weekends,
reported Time magazine

It had to be the Mafia and the CIA together starting war on Cuba,
Bay of Pigs and poison assassination headlines

It had to be dope cops in the Mafia
Who sold all their heroin in America

It had to be the FBI and organized crime working together
in cahoots against the commies

It had to be ringing on multinational cash registers
A world-wide laundry for organized criminal money

It had to be the CIA and the Mafia and the FBI together
They were bigger than Nixon
And they were bigger than war

It had to be a large room full of murder
It had to be a mounted ass- a solid mass of rage
A red hot pen
A scream in the back of the throat

It had to be a kid that can breathe
It had to be in Rockefellers' mouth
It had to be central intelligence, the family, allofthis, the agency Mafia
It had to be organized crime

One big set of gangs working together in cahoots

Hitmen
Murderers everywhere

The secret
The drunk
The brutal
The dirty rich

On top of a slag heap of prisons
Industrial cancer
Plutonium smog
Garbage cities

Grandmas' bed soft from fathers' resentment

It had to be the rulers
They wanted law and order
And they got rich on wanting protection for the status quo

They wanted junkies
They wanted Attica
They wanted Kent State
They wanted war in Indochina

It had to be the CIA and the Mafia and the FBI

Multinational capitalists
Strong armed squads
Private detective agencies for the rich
And their armies and navies and their air force bombing planes

It had to be capitalism
The vortex of this rage
This competition
Man to man

The horses head in a capitalists' bed
The Cuban turf
It rumbles in hitmen
And gang wars across oceans

Bombing Cambodia settled the score when Soviet pilots
manned Egyptian fighter planes

Chiles' red democracy
Bumped off with White House pots and pans

A warning to Mediterranean governments

The secret police have been embraced for decades

The NKPD and CIA keep each other's secrets
The OGBU and DIA never hit their own
The KGB and the FBI are one mind

Brute force and full of money
Brute force, world-wide, and full of money
Brute force, world-wide, and full of money
Brute force, world-wide, and full of money
Brute force, world-wide, and full of money

It had to be rich and it had to be powerful
They had to murder in Indonesia 500000
They had to murder in Indochina 2000000
They had to murder in Czechoslovakia
They had to murder in Chile
They had to murder in Russia

And they had to murder in America

 

Hey Mak, here's a hammer. Go build a bridge and get over it. We're all peasants to a caste system that hides behind a piece of 200+ year old parchament.

Like me, you're a felon, why do I need to remind you of this?

 

Maya Angelou rocks THUG LIFE on her forearms. Something I think too many people miss the significance of. The Hate yoU Give Little Infants Fucks Everybody

"When I say, 'I'm living the thug life and it's hopeless' for instance, I can't help it if some kid who's not from the street hears my music and thinks it's glamorous. To him Thug Life is a stage and he'll grow out of it. But to the kid who's living that life and really hears 'thug life is hopeless' he'll get it and it'll mean something to him.

When we started showing the Vietnam War on television the ugliness of it helped end it. If we would've kept on thinking these men were dying valiantly who knows how long it would've continued. And that's what I try to do. I try to talk about the ugliness around me and the most horrible aspects of what I see; hoping somebody will see it and help change it"

 

Tupac had Thug Life because he thought it was COOL to be a thug nothing SHORT. Yes later in life he tried to speak out, but he still made money of glorifing how THUG he was. it had nothing to do with his "struggle" he was saying he choses to be a gang banger it was HIS CHOICE. I don't buy that if you live on the street you understand here's a glorious idea if you don't want to be on the streets GET OFF OF THEM. Fuck tupac and Big E, you live like a fucking savage you die like a fuckin savage.

 

That was complete and utter garbage of a point with no backing or appearant self knowledge of the topic.

"Yes later in life he tried to speak out" <--Are you serious? He didn't even make it to thirty to have a "later in life". He was a kid my age while they were handing him all that money at death row and he was going through shit like realizing people wanted to kill him.

 

Go copy and paste some more B.S Tupac quotes he is DEAD and good riddance he did more HARM to the black community than good. He was a hipocrite spoke out about gangs and gang violence then made gangsta rap cd's???

 

i pretty much agree with hellvis, here. i remember when music was something that brought people together, not split them into little crews. i miss those days.

 

man, some people have tempers

 

i can't remember why people get their panties in a twist about music or musicians.

 

Heaven forbid Bruce Willis be against guns or Ozzy Osborne donate money that will benefit people who don't do drugs.

Also all professional fighters must promote war, as required by society, since they partake in what many consider to be 'violent' sports.

Why is it the lyrics you refer to, which were written by an entertainer, are more relevant than his words as a man? Your argument just comes from a different set of quotes by the same man. I pull from what he said, you pull from the FICTION he wrote. Sorry but I don't live in the song world. I live in the real world where I know people who ride the bus and rap about cars. I doubt Gore Verbinski has ever been a pirate. I doubt Jerry Bruckheimer ever stole a car or murdered anybody. Since he made Gone in 60 Seconds I guess Bruckheimer has to be pro-car theft, right?

Sad thing is, this thread wasnt' about a rapper. It was about gang violence. Too bad people are too wrapped up in being opinionated and attacking people they don't know to think and state a relatively interesting post on the topic at hand. :wank:

 

i didn't attack anyone. i opined sadly and retiringly.

 

here's some severe gang violence, a full assault of awful:

Way on down to southern Alabama
With the guitars jammin' that's where we're headed
Straight up to Butte, Montana singin' Lord I was born a ramblin' man
California to Oregon
Even New York City got one or two hillbillies ready to hit the road
It's a brother and a sister kinda thang
Raise up your hands if you all wanna hang with
Me and my gang
We live to ride, we ride to live
Me and my gang
Jump on that train
Grab a hold of them reigns
We gonna rock this thang, cock this thang
Me and my gang
We got hippies, gypsies, freaks and geeks
High class women in Daisy Duke denim
Bangin' on gongs and singin' our songs
Dude named Elrod jammin' on an Ipod
Beer and bonfires
Wide open throttle, Coors in a bottle
It's all for one and ONE FOR ALL YA'LL
It's a brother and a sister kinda thang
Raise up your hands if you all wanna hang with
With me and my gang
We live to ride, we ride to live
Me and my gang
Jump on that train
Grab a hold of them reigns
We gonna rock this thang, cock this thang
Me and my gang


rascal flatts. (please god, crash their plane.)

 

thats fucking retarded. but somewhat true. gangs are about territory and respect. and they are stupid. gang violence has wrecked my life seeing people get shot when im just in elementary school, having friends and family gone because of it. when you live in an area with a lot of gang violence it affects EVERYONE.

 

I'm kinda turned on by the fact that he didn't have an answer for me. Damn.