Bush says tax rebates going out Monday will help people afford rising gas, food price

The surging middle class in asia has nothing to do with it this. It's all about the greedy petroleum/multi nationals. Impending dollar crash, hardly anyone in the US is even aware this might happen, why because we aren't told and it's not reported. Does Hillary talk about it, does Obama, does McCain. We are only told about the global market is good for us, we never see a return, while our local assets are sold off, and more and more huge fund owners go off shore.

Explain why Haiburton and subsidaries have reaped outrageous returns and profits on these wars, while the middle class in the US sacrifices children and lifestyle? Clinton, Obama, McCain, any of them want to answer that question. Ask why private contractors are protected from prosecution, but our children serving overseas aren't?

 

Is it that you free marketeers sell your free markets on the rising tides lift all boats, but don't ever let the middle classes ever get close to understanding where your returns come from. And when they come close to asking for what you have...close them down...is that what this global economy is all about?

 

Ask all three candidates about the SPP and see what sort of response you get?

Do any of them even acknowledge that it exists. Do they know who serves on it's boards and makes it policies? What sort of oversights do the citizens of Mexico, the US or Canada have over it, do any of them know that? Will they acknowledge it exists and what it's long term effect will be? I won't vote for anyone that says they knw nothing about.

Remember allowing Mexican truck traffic, as a citizen of California I still wonder where the missing nine drivers were in this tunnel fire:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302341,00.html

But US taxpayers paid to fix it.

I ask as Senators of the US Congress why Obama, Clinton and McCain seem to be ignorant of it's existance? Is their ignorance enough to qualify them as President.

 

The SPP is not some conspiracy myth, it's got a government sponsored webside:


http://www.spp.gov/

Did you elect anyone to it's board, are you made aware of it's proposals? It's affecting my life, and maybe it's affecting yours.

 

Pretty well obviously, since the 2001 recession was short and relatively mild. I wouldn't put that down to the stimulus alone, but the interest rate cuts combined with the stimulus seems to have worked.

 

Perhaps the war effort after 9/11 had more to do with working the numbers and relieving the recession.. What it did for the working person relies less on figures. And has longer lasting results. Hard for the market to compute what a father or son's life means to a family. And today we are sending our young women into combat zones. Be prepared marketeers, these losses will count. You park avenue types haven't even thought of that have you? I wonder if Hillary has even considered it, why would she? She's never really worked, she never really raised a child. What is the loss of a woman in this war?

 

What are you smoking? She worked hard and became successful. Oh wait that's a bad thing right?

I'm not talking about whether Bush was a good president. I'm saying the 2001 recession was short and mild (in fact it technically didn't even qualify as a recession), so obviously the policies implemented in response at the time can't be condemned.

 

I'm saying the 2001 recession was short and mild (in fact it technically didn't even qualify as a recession), so obviously the policies implemented in response at the time can't be condemned.

Sorry I wasn’t going to join in on this but do you honestly think the best way of recovering from one bubble (which created the 2000-2002 recession) was to create another even bigger bubble in housing?

Greenspan the right wing libertarian minded, free marketeer, fuck it all up, then left before the deregulated shit (he’d shat and flung) hit the fan and then seemingly began loudly blaming everyone but himself and his dumb policies for the problems.

 

Right. Deciding to invade Iraq on top of the war in Afghanistan, and starting the Iraq war based on lies, deception and manipulation and a war that up to now is estimated to reach 3 trillion (some estimates go even higher). These policies which contributed to the unravelling of our economy, are examples of "sound" policies indeed.

Look where it got us. :jester:


The three trillion dollar war
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article3419840.ece

Why does Bush and the Neo-Conservatives hate America. :jester:

 

Or the rebates could go to HipForums, i have seen the advertisement for it at the top of the screen...

 

Hmmm, I don't remember recommending the creation of any bubbles, you must be thinking of someone else.

Lets go back to what I actually said, since nobody seems to remember. When FUA asked what did we get out of the last stimulus, I pointed out that the 2001 recession was so mild it technically didn't even qualify as a recession. So that's hardly evidence that the stimulus didn't work.

Sorry what did he deregulate that let to a subprime bubble?

 

I guess, we could say, it worked, since, among other things, it laid down the foundation of the housing bubble and the current financial mess. :jester:


For Bush and the Neo-Cons, the solution to a bubble is to create more bubbles and thinking up ways of how to fuck this country and economy even more. :jester:

 

How did the rebate check create a housing bubble?

 

Bubbles tend to pop

 

The rebate check itself is a bubble. :jester:

Bubble on top of a bubble.

 

lol

 

The republicans ,at least seriously with reagan,de-regulated everything they could get their hands on.I guess that's good because we all know BIG_BUSINESS can be trusted to do the right and honest thing.By the way reagan was a prick.

 

lol

 

Change it to what?

 

I don't think that's going to happen this time. The wealthy have already protected their assets this time and are busy building condos in Dubai. Food prices and fuel aren't going to decline like they did then. This administration is on the way out they can't make promises for relection. The fat cats have all ready made other plans, no favors can be called in. It's cut and run time. McCain's a shoe in, but not enough to hedge profits.

The war profiteers know they have an uphill battle now, and they've moved their investments you can be sure.