Gay Marriages.........

This is a quote from some fucko at the Niagara marriage rally held today:


"There are plenty of Canadians who may not even be of a religious background, but yet who are quite concerned about marriage and what's happening in Canada and they really feel this government is taking things too far and the government is not listening...."

Now, I understand the religious belief. It's unfair to force the Catholic church to do anything against their biblical beliefs, but if you're not religious, how can you possibly justify your being against gay marriage?

If you're not religious it's just a hate crime, that or you're not confidant enough in your own sexuality to allow others who are comfortable with it to be who they want to be, and do whatever the fuck they want to do. We live in free nations, how can you tell someone they can't do something when IT DOESN'T EVEN AFFECT YOU! No one is gonna die from gays getting married, and no societies will collapse. You conservatives need to join the fucking new millenium and concern yourselves with real issues....

It just makes me mad that there are so many stupid small-minded people out there......

 

It is not mean to note that a hetero couple is biologicaly different than a gay couple. Wanting that difference to be reflected in mariage laws does not nessesarily indicate hatred of gays. I think it reflects being uncomfortable with something as traditional as marriage changing form.

I used to think that the name difference between "marriage" and "civil union" was trivial. Then a gay couple I have known for years got married in SF. They had been through a variety of ceremonies, yet I felt different congadulating them on their marriage than I had when congratulating them on their civil union.

The changing of "mariage" causes many feelings. It is unfair to call people "fucko" or "small minded" when someone is uncomfortable with something different. Your being open and accepting the reality of their feelings will help them accept the strange (to them) relationship between gay spouses.

 

I wouldnt consider being against gay marriage a "hate crime".

Hate Crimes are things like lynchings,arson of targetted businesses owned or run by a certain group of people.Hate crimes are physically or verbally violent acts against individuals or groups based on opposition to their existance. Not liking gay marriage or having the opinion that it isnt right..is not a hate crime. That's just melodramatic. It's small minded and rather intolerant but not a crime.

This is the problem with PCism. You can't even have a personal opinion anymore without being accosted and clumped in with the KKK.

Not everyone has to like or support gay marriage. But laws should protect gay marriage because until people learn to mind their own business, we need certain laws to force them to mind their own business.

what 2 consenting adults do in their own homes and bedrooms is none of anyone's business but their own.pure and simple.

 

Just what we need - another thread on this subject! What's it been, 2 weeks since the last one?

 

Yeah, but mine was the best one. :H

I don't think this is a topic that's going away anytime soon Huck...

 

Actually, I agree!

I realize that, but no one ever has anything new to say, so I don't see much value in recycling the same debate ad nauseum.

 

right on man i complety agree with what this guy is saying.

 

would you be for incest then? or polygamy? I agree gay marriage should be allowed, but we need to be consistant and let consenting adults do what they want.

 

I didn't actually mean to use the word crime, it's just a common term that popped into my head. It's not a crime to rally or protest, but it is unjustified hate, in this case.

 

You know what, people like you piss me off too. Maybe there were other gay marriage threads, but maybe I didn't read them, and didn't get a chance to be a part of them. DID YOU EVER THINK ABOUT THAT SMART GUY? Not that you're the only one. So many people do this, and people, if you feel this way WHY DO YOU WASTE YOUR TIME AND EVERYONE ELSE'S BY MAKING POSTS LIKE THIS? Seriously, if you don't have anything valid to add to the conversation then

FUCK OFF *please*

 

Megara....did you bother reading and comprehending the last sentence of my post??

I believe I made the specific comment of 2 CONSENTING ADULTS!!! not 3, not an adult and a child!!

And the last time I checked...allowing 2 men to marry is NOT going to lead to incest or polygamy.I hate when people use that as an argument against homosexuality.

 

Actually, even though I personally wouldn't like to be in an incestuous or polygamous relationship, i see no real harm in them, other than the possibility of children, but if the environment was still loving, it shouldn't really matter all that much.
Also, incest relationships do not guaruntee birth defects. True, they do raise the likelyhood by a little bit, but not really all that much.\

 

huh!?!? where did i at all talk about an adult and a child!??! do you know what incest is?

in·cest Audio pronunciation of "incest" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nsst)
n.

1. Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom.
2. The statutory crime of sexual relations with such a near relative.


did you actually READ WHAT I SAID? i think you didnt, instead you got super defensive and spurned this crazy post.

Lets work this out for you

2 gay men having sex should be no ones business right?
So why should brother and sister having sex be a problem? Cousins? We are talking about 2 consenting adults here. There should be np

Why is it ok to allow what 2 consenting adults want, but not 3? Where is the consistancy with that? Why can 2 guys marry but not 2 women marry one man??

do you at all see what i'm getting at??

And furthermore, if you actually READ my post, you would see that i said i am FOR GAY MARRIAGE.

There is a reason why people like scalia say allowing gay marriage opens pandora's box, beucase it DOES. You can take the same argument for gay marriage and apply to incest and polygamy. You cant argue for one and against the other without being hypocritical. I hate when people are so closeminded to understand an argument and immediately rule it out without comprehending the logic behind it.

 

Many of the benifits of marriage, such as making medical decisions, already rest with relatives, so the arguments in favor of gay marriage are different than those in favor of sibling marriage.

It is true that the "no body else's buisness" argument does apply to both. But I don't think that the gay marriage argument is driven by that. I beleive that primary public argument in favor of gay marriage is "Why be mean to a gay couple?"

 

why be mean to polygamists?

edit: this is what i dont understand. Why is it wrong for catholics(for example) to be against gay marriage on moral reasons, but its ok for pro gay marriage people to be against polygamy incest? Are both not moral judgments? Why is it acceptable to be against polygamy and incest, but not gay marriage? Why is it acceptable to draw the line after gay marraige, but not before? Why draw a line at all?

 

I can't seem tounderstand why everyone has such trouble with this. Politics need to stay out of people's personal lives.

And to clarify, I don't really care about polygamy or incest. Consenting adults can do what they want with eachother.

I am glad to have the right to choose who I want to live with, to be my partner. But when I think about it, do I really have the right? I have the right as long as the gender of my partner suits the american gov't...and that's just fucked up.

 

The Tenessee Supreme Court said, regarding interacial marriage, that if interacial marriage marriage were accepted, then polygamous and incestuous marriages would also have to be recognized, implying that no marriages were more contrary to public policy than interracial marriage. This argument has been used for a long time to promote discrimination.

 

it doesnt promote discrimination. Why should it? If proponents for interracial marriage(which should by all means be legal!) and gay marriagel(this too), then why should incest and polygamy be taboo and banned?

 

polygamy is about power, and tends to lead to a patriarchal society, which is opposite of equality. Incestuous relationships also typically involve power, and not love.

That being said, I really have no opinion on the legality of either. If people want it, go for it. I do think that polygamy and incestuous relationships are potentially dangerous to a free society, however.

 

where did you draw that from!? polygamy is about power? Incest about power!?

hrmm, gay marriage must be about power too, not love.

how are polygamy and incest dangerous to a free society?