Poll: Is Iraq another Vietnam?

Is Iraq another Vietnam?

Yes

No

Don't know, but will send someone else to find out.

 

I'm not sure how that posted without letting me use the poll form, but I think you get the gist of it...

 

It's turning into another Vietnam, and it's only a matter of time before it is "the new Vietnam."

 

No, not the same type of situation nor anywhere near the same causualty rate yet.

 

No, not yet.

 

No, it won't ever be, and calling it another Vietnam is disrespectful to people who actually fought in Vietnam. The Iraqi insurgent don't have the coordination, numbers, supplies, or training that the Vietcong had, and the lay of the land is not suited for high-death toll guerilla warfare outside major cities (unlike the jungle, where you have to watch your ass no matter where you are). We lost more troops in one day in Vietnam than we've lost in the entire Iraq war. There's no way Iraq could even come close to being another Vietnam.

 

Ok, so we know you support the war in Iraq and you think everything is all good over there. I am just curious why you haven't signed up to go fight over there yet.

 

And how did you come to that assumption?

 

Don't get me wrong, Max. I think you're an intelligent dude. I just don't understand why it seems that you're such a defender of George Bush and his neocon policies. It seems like if anyone says anything against what the Bush Administration is doing, you're right there to defend Bush. I am not exactly referring to this thread, but many of your other threads.

Don't you understand that this "war" cannot and will not be won. As long as we follow on the path we are now, I don't think we're going to see an end to these wars. Do you not agree with that?

If you don't think this "War on Terrorism" (which will eventually include Iran, Syria, and who knows what else) will ultimately take as many lives as Vietnam -- whether it be 10 or 20 years from now -- I think you have some serious rethinking to do.

 

Here's the Vietnam stats, Americans killed in the war by year:

1956 – 1
1957 – 1
1959 – 2
1960 – 5
1961 – 16
1962 – 53
1963 – 123
1964 – 216
1965 – 1926
1966 – 6333
1967 – 11348
1968 – 16869
1969 – 11775
1970 – 6164
1971 – 2413
1972 – 763
1973 – 70
1974 – 1

 

"There are disturbing similarities to the quagmire in Vietnam... I was criticized for comparing Iraq and Vietnam... I served in Vietnam for three years. I know how tough it was. " -Richard Holbrooke

 

I dont think you can take iraq on its own because even if we withdrw from iraq we have afghanistan and god knows where else.
the guys your fighting a lot of them would just go somewhere else and fight you
or other non muslims.

I dont think iraq is another vietnam ,the whole situation of the war on terror may be,
and there is no reason why you couldnt have really massive numbers of people killed in that far worse than vietnam and it could last a hell of a long time.

you can see ideas and methods spreading so you could have attacks like the one in beslan anywhere, or kidnap and beheadings anywhere.
and then you have iran getting nuclear weapons

 

Hey folks, wake up, even if you get your would be good guy Kerry in office, soldiers wont be leaving for at least 4 years. That is Kerrys' plan. Aside from that, there will always be war and death in this world. No amount of peace talks and rallies will stop that. You can have a peace festival every day of the year 24 hours a day and there would still be war and there would still be death. Even if we pulled our soldiers out of Iraq and hell out of any hostile territory around the world, there will still be some muslim somewhere sitting at a table thinking up plans to attack us. If not us, some other people that they deam not worthy to live on this planet. Hence why out of 19 wars going on in this world, 17 of them envolve muslims of some sort.

As far as Iraq being another Vietnam? Well, it could be. Hell, I looked at 9/11 as our generations "Pearl Harbor". Either way, war is inevitable, there is always good vs evil.

PS.
I tried to join the military. Wanted to go into the army. Took my ASVAB and scored a 98 on it. Went for the physical and failed for several reasons. Two broken arms, one fractured knee, the lack of a Gall Bladder, and heart problems. So to be honest with you, you can kiss my ass and the asses of any other person you feel like questioning wether or not they are worthy to have an opinion on the way this country is run.

 

there will always be war and death in this world.

There will probably also, forever, be disease. That doesn't mean that we don't take preventive measures, and use our strengt sensibly.

I tried to join the military.

Since that failed, now you can go over there and fight anyway, freelance, if it's something that you believe in strongly enough. Better than sending someone else in your place- or is it?

 

hi there

is this not just another crusade that is causing the west to view
the east as the bad guys the non god lovers the culture of unknown.

what you should be asking.. is this not another WAR...
what ever the problem the usa and uk should give up
this eternal struggle against other beliefs .
i know white man has been attacking the east even before christ..
so what has really changed...the oil crises is coming to a head
the bible is being outnumbered by older words.
and our western beliefs will crumble to nothing with out
the easts strengths......yes we need the east far more than they NEED
us.....

thank you for this thought
love n peace from saff
maybe this world would be whole if the people understood more.
learned more allowed more cultures to thrive without it being a terror
attack whos god is the real god...............
i know the two towers were lost and lives too
but for how long have we hassled the cultures that offer a different
point of view we have killed many for land and greed
the world should open its eyes . we should open our eyes
we are allowing uk and usa to exploit all around even you and me...

love n peace from saff
this is just the start of hell.............................maybe the east will stand strong.........

 

No, I wouldn't call it a Vietnam. We haven't did anything to the Iraqi's on the scale of what we did to the Vietnamesse. I have talked a guy who served in special forces in Vietnam. He told me that they would be kicked out for smoking pot, but cocaine and speed were fine. Pot makes you docile, unalert. Cociane and Speed have an opposite effect. He said they would go into villages, really small ones like 30-40 people, kill everyone and everything except one lucky (or unlucky) person. Just to get the point across.


But enough horror stories. There is still no comparsion, this is mild compared to the shit that went on in the jungle. If we just broke bad and put down any insurgency we found, as brutally as posisble we could achieve peace there. Look at Israel, they went monthes without any terrorist action, just by being hardcore.

 

Ya, lets go slaughter as many people as possible to prove a point. That would definitely make us better than Saddam. He kept that same kind of peace in his country.

 

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for conservatives or Bush. His policies put the US into an unreal amount of debt and he invaded another country based on false information. There isn't much to like about the guy. But at the same time, I'm not going to lap up conspiracy theories blaming Bush for 9/11 and think that the Illumina.....erm, global elite, are the source of all the world's problems. Being skeptical of other people's ridiculous claims and far-fetched theories is hardly what I would call "defending Bush."

As for the War on Terror becoming Vietnam, that isn't what this thread is about, it's about Iraq becoming Vietnam, which it won't. I can't see into the future, so I'll have to get back to you in 15 years to see if the War on Terror becomes another Vietnam.

 

The East isn't the bad guy, the extremists who want all Christians and Jews (including you) dead are. And they happen to live in the middle East.

"Eternal struggle against other beliefs"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe China, Japan, India, most African nations, and many other countries have beliefs that are very different from the US and UK's, and we're not in a struggle against them. We ARE in a struggle against the afformentioned terrorists who are on a mission to kill every Christian and Jew in the world.

The white man was still wandering around Europe in tribal communities before Christ, unless you're talking about being under the authority of the Romans (who were actually pretty tolerant of other cultures as long as they paid their taxes), which actually did more good than bad for the middle East.

That's confusing. The Bible is about 600 years older than the Koran, so it would techinically be being outnumbered by "younger words," not that it's being outnumbered anyway.

Wrong. They need us more than anything else. The American and European (and Chinese coming on strong) markets are the only reason the middle Easterners even have two sticks to rub together. If we stopped buying oil tomorrow, every middle Eastern nation's economy would collapse instantly. If we cut down on oil imports by only 30% or so, it would bring countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran to their knees (one reason I support drilling in Alaska).

You're right. We're not trying to stop Islamic extremists because they want all of us dead, no, we're trying to stop them because they have a different word for god. BY GEORGE YOU'VE SOLVED THE PUZZLE!!!!

 

The east has given the world much of anything worthwhile since about 1492. Sorry but the West has for the past 500 years been the supreme civilization. If anything the middle east has regressed. In the times of Saladin they were very tolerant and liberal for the day. Now they are backward and theological.