What would you do if your child was involved?

woah. Well, eh, once I lasso'd a girl and I think we sprayed mud on her with some other kids. So I cant say 'wtf is wrong with kids these days' because that negates any looking into the case. Anyways.

 

we've got an epidemic of charging kids as adults in this country. i think it's incredibly stupid.

 

Do you think the motives are as simple as we make them in calling it 'stupid'.

It's a targeted action as far as I'm concerned. Who intentionally depletes their own work force in such a way? That fact alone lets me know that the consideration of charging many children with felonies is not something that is intended to detur children because any child not facing a felony really can't comprehend the magnitude of the situation. Just as I'm sure many kids who ARE facing a felony also can't comprehend the magnitude of the situation. Yet the effect on their life is permanent and the effect on our economy and society as a whole is exponentially increasing with every child that is unfairly charged as an adult.

You guys all surprised me so far in that nobody has thought to question the parents of these children. You can't blame parents your whole life, but you sure as fuck can when you're 8.

 

I would probably be mad that they didn't consider a silver hammer.

 

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pretty close...
and what I was wondering when I started the thread was how would you react if you were told that your child did this.. brought a knife to school and seriously or otherwise contemplating hurting a teacher for whatever reason... seriously what would you do if it was your child?

 

I would like to think that I would never need to know what to do in that situation. That being said, I have no idea what I would do. Therapy and anger management for sure. Positive thinking courses for children along with following through and keeping up with the reccomendations and suggested activities of said outside help.

That's the only answer I can honestly give without walking in those shoes.

 

Interesting viewpoint and worth mulling over.

I find it hard to believe however, that the powers are intentionally creating criminals. Where is the benefit in this?

 

Did I say they're creating criminals? Not at all. They're staining mischevious children.

Take into account the things you hear:

FEMA camps being built to ensure the "safety and shelter" of Americans, without their consent, in the event of major natural, nuclear, or other disasters.

Pressed_Rat will tell you that based on the things he's read he believes with everything in him that these men are serious in their quest to have the world to themselves. And while many are tempted to flame and doubt him, and while I don't buy into everything as written, I must say he has many valid, scary points.

When we talk about the future we talk about our children, no? Things like, "Remember that the earth does not belong to us, but is in fact borrowed from our children and their children" stem from the fact that we all generally admit changing the future starts with us, but the most important part to that change is the education and success of the children in our society.

A child with a felony is to be discouraged for years before ever fully having to incorporate the damage into their perception of themselves and the life they are capable of having. What better way to break the spirits of entire generations than to mark them for life for absentee thoughts or failure to logically think about consequences.

When 4 out of 10 highschool graduates have felony convictions..... they can't get the same opportunities as others. They can't get the same education due to loss of grants. They can't get the same jobs because of background checks. They can't get the same promotions because of security clearance.

This is off topic and long already, so I'll end my thoughts there as far as this thread goes. I think you guys can see the picture I'm trying to paint.

 

if they thought like that then they probably had some influence from the parents. from standing on a chair though? i think it was more serious than that. who attacks someone over standing on a chair? it was probably a whole bunch of things leading up to this. and maybe the kids didnt tell the truth or the press didnt understand the truth. and usually i notice that if you ask a kid a question like "did you get mad because she yelled at you for standing on the chair?" they will usually agree with it whether it is the truth or not. kids make up stories but youve got to listen to them when they are trying to tell you something though (freddy? nightmare on elm street?) no matter how crazy it sounds. and did they interview the teacher? id like to hear her story.most of you are in your 20's but usually adults are quick to forget what they were like as a child and how their parents treated them. just put yourself in their shoes for a minute. would you attack someone b/c they yelled at you for standing on a chair? maybe she yelled more then she needed to or she wouldnt shut up about it or something or maybe she had a bad experience from standing on a chair. and why was the kid standing on the chair anyway? see, youve got to see all points of view before judging something.

 

I am not homeschooling only because I am scared to death of the crap that happens in schools now a days but because I understand just how other kids can influence each other. I encourage my kids to be themselves and to make their own discussions but when kids are young it's not always as easy as it seems like it should be... they're kids and I believe that no matter what the crime kids deserve somebody trying to understand them and help them.. I am not a believer in prison for adults but there is no way in hell I think that kind of punishment is right for a child. On the other end of the perspective punishments "counseling" is not always as useful as it should be. My fiance is proof of that. There should be more options... maybe there will be someday but for now I hope that the parents involved take this seriously and help their kids understand what is so wrong about their behaviour.

 

If my kid was involved with something it would break my heart, realizing you failed misrably in parenthood.

Id really beat the shit out of him though.

tough love is the only love in some cases.

 

Makavelli, you've listed a shitload of valid points there. A lot to think about.

When I mentioned creating criminals, it was meant in the same manner as you use the word staining. As such a high percentage of felons rarely re-integrate into the system, and subsequently re-offend.

 

I agree very much with what you say here, so I will address only what I've put into bold.

Counseling should not be considered, labeled, or explained as punishment. I can't imagine any possible benefit to doing so. You close minds with a word like punishment and negate the value of what is being taught. Especially to the mind of a child. The things I mentioned I did not intend to say I would use to punish my child in similar circumstances. I would use them as a means to correct the problem.

Counseling is only as effective as the person being counseled believes it can be. If you sit there thinking, "This shit doesn't pertain to me. This bitch it's retarded".....You're probably not going to get much out of it. Sitting there, absorbing, and trying to understand to better help yourself....probably going to get you much further.

Counseling, therapy, seminars, books..... You only take away as much as you're prepared to with these things. Much like the growth of sharks - The larger the tank of the shark, the larger the shark - our minds are very much the same way. You go into something with a little tank, and you'll get a little shark. Go in with a huge tank......well, that's when you get back something special.

 

While my thoughts are far less educated ...for lack of a better word.....than those like Pressed Rat and lode, I'd like to think that my logical reasoning and observatory skills are rather sharp. Along with what I consider a great understanding of human condition, many of these things while often bearing little factual basis strike me as likely, and sometimes, certain truths. Though they are nothing more than speculations based on observations.

 

I am going to go a little off topic here ...
first thank you
and I agree Counseling should not be considered, labeled, or explained as punishment however...

When I wrote it that way (perspective punishments "counseling") was because of what my fiance went through and from my own experiences.
He was "punished" for certain sexual activities he was involved with as a kid, there wasn't a friendly face with an open heart and mind willing to help him through his actions and to teach him that he wasn't sick only misguided, to let him know he was (is) still very much a person worth loving ... everything I think counseling should do.. instead he was sent to a place where "counseling" meant you were put behind bars and went to classes where the right "answers" were taught to you... the crap they fed these sexual offenders sickens me. I understand that this is only our story of what counseling is like but from my discussions whith many other people on similar subjects it's just the sad truth that counselors are teaching people how to hide the problems.. not to correct them

*side note if it sounds like rambling forgive me.. my head is killing me right now

 

I've heard many stories that parallel yours, but as with everything else in life you have your good and bad. It's the responsibility of each of us to make sure that those we love, who are in need of counseling, get the counseling as it is needed.

Unfortunately, some people don't have that support system, and some who do, don't have it until after the fact. Perhaps the quality of counseling for those who are mentally ill is something that should be put more into the public spotlight to be properly addressed.

 

agreed!

Makaveli, thanks for the thought filled posts

 

You're quite welcome. For once, I can honestly say that's why I am here.

 

i do think the children involved need to feel consequences for their actions. but jail and records and crap like that certainly isnt it. the right solution? i dont really know
i also think they should absolutely not return the classroom where the teacher is. i mean, theres obviously a bad relationship there... the kids arent going to learn well in that environment and the teacher probably wont be all that comfortabel teaching kids who plotted to hurt her.