2nd Amendment Protest

We the citizens do. Groups of people get together and declare themselves to be a militia. It makes the goverment very nervous.

 

So you cant have a militia without the citizens. Right?


SO!!!
We as citizens have the right to bar arms..
Right?
lol???

 

No, you need your militia card!

And in order to get one you have to be given strenuous exams to make sure you're ideologically fit!! You need to be militia certified!!

What do you think just any MAN can grab their guns and be ready to fight in a MINUTE?

Has anyone EVER heard of such a "minuteman" before? The very idea is absurd!! DOWN WITH GUNZZZ!!!!11

 

The militia and minutemen were founded and backed by our government, basicly because the ordinary men who named them selves the american militia created this now organization to protect the American people from anyone who wanted to try and take there lands and liberties..
I believe ..
I could be wrong ,but...
These people were made up as mountain men who where mostly scotish decent..
And Actually it is said some where in our histpry books that The Scottish were actually the 1st to write and inforce a constitution...

From what I understand and remember, and correct me if Im wrong.
But...
The british and regulated arms of America were having an equally hard time fighting in the thick and unexplored forestry of America so Our military although against there ruff way of life and purly there thinking needed there help to defeat the British.
So they made it legal for men do do this in There LATER constitution.....

So I have to respectfully diagree with the ( DOWN WITH GUNS)
I think Ive said this before but here I go again..
People killed people before guns and they will after..
Hell we could litterally face nuecliar Anialation..
You cant blame human action on unanimus objects..
You just creat more human excuses..
We have enough of them...
Choose not to own a gun..
Thats great..
Teach your children not to carry a gunn..
Teach inner city children not to resort to violence..Hell give them a reason not to..
^You and I may go top the suppermarket, but some people Yes in this country .Well they dont have that option..
Also
some one comes and trys to take my land or hurt my daughter..
Im shooting first and asking question later..Sorry I dont care who that pisses off.
There are people who have to worry about that right in there neighbor hoods..
Fix the real problem ..
Dont blame it on a gun..
Change the gun laws make it harded for people to get them...Ask law inforcement to do there jobs.
Instead of beating quadropledgic....etc....etc...etc...

 

I think you missed the sarcasm of my post. I thought it was obvious but oh well...right on.

 

Im just agrvated with the lodgic on this subject..


My piont was just a piont..
With A littkle bitta fact to get people thinking..
No harsh sentiment intended..
Keep speakin up man..

 

Well I caught the sarcasm... and I laughed. Do you mind if I use that?

 

haha...sure.

 

i disagree with people who disagree with the second amendmant. It won't make anyone safer it'll only condem those we are trying to save. like the "dangerous" people with guns you know the ones that shoot people and whatever. like there really going to turn in their gun that the government doesn't even know they have. It just makes there prey all the more helpless. look at Austrailia!!! You now can't own a gun there. Now there governement did this "thinking of the people" and hoping it wopuld lower crime rates. What does it do instead? Crime rates have skyrocketed beacause the "bad" people now know they won't be oposed.

 

Since this thread started, conditions have grown much worse around the country. The possibility of martial law, rioting, and refugees is getting greater. I think a person would be a FOOL not to have a viable means of protecting their families, homes, and belongings. This does NOT mean you would have to kill someone! Many times, just the sound of a gun being fired into the air would be enough to make someone think twice, or the thought that you are being shot at, even if the shooter is aiming at the ground near your feet would send many people running. And those who it DOESN'T send running MAY HAVE A GUN THEMSELVES and how are you gonna deal with that unless you have something similar?

I used to think, well, folks are entitled to their opinions as long as they don't try to cram their opinion down my throat. Now I think people who argue against owning a gun are just plain fools who deserve whatever they get if push comes to shove. In the worst possible scenario, it will be those who can protect and take care of themselves who will remain.

 

i agree. pacifism is all well and good but it will acomplish nothing unless the other person wants it to. still as choice A good but we are way past choice a in fact we are past choice choice Z so at least be able to stand on your own two feet say hell no and be able to put in a push of your own.

 

mother

Since this thread started, conditions have grown much worse around the country.

But why have they got worse?

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The possibility of martial law, rioting, and refugees is getting greater. I think a person would be a FOOL not to have a viable means of protecting their families, homes, and belongings. This does NOT mean you would have to kill someone! Many times, just the sound of a gun being fired into the air would be enough to make someone think twice, or the thought that you are being shot at, even if the shooter is aiming at the ground near your feet would send many people running. And those who it DOESN'T send running MAY HAVE A GUN THEMSELVES and how are you gonna deal with that unless you have something similar?

So the only way to try and have a better society is to either threaten people with a gun or use a gun on them?

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I used to think, well, folks are entitled to their opinions as long as they don't try to cram their opinion down my throat.

If you thought people were initialled to their opinion why come to a discussion forum to argue against others opinion?

and in many peoples opinion thats what happens the moment you disagree with someone and give your alternative view.

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Now I think people who argue against owning a gun are just plain fools who deserve whatever they get if push comes to shove.

But why just do nothing to stop push coming to shove?

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In the worst possible scenario, it will be those who can protect and take care of themselves who will remain.

Social Darwinism, not exactly a great model for a society is it?

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mother

Since this thread started, conditions have grown much worse around the country.

"But why have they got worse?"

You mean you don't know??? I assume you read, listen to the news, maybe watch youtube videos about current affairs? Why do you SUPPOSE things have gotten worse?

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The possibility of martial law, rioting, and refugees is getting greater. I think a person would be a FOOL not to have a viable means of protecting their families, homes, and belongings. This does NOT mean you would have to kill someone! Many times, just the sound of a gun being fired into the air would be enough to make someone think twice, or the thought that you are being shot at, even if the shooter is aiming at the ground near your feet would send many people running. And those who it DOESN'T send running MAY HAVE A GUN THEMSELVES and how are you gonna deal with that unless you have something similar?

"So the only way to try and have a better society is to either threaten people with a gun or use a gun on them?"

Did I say that anywhere? That's funny, I don't see that written anyplace in my post. I thought I was very clear. Try reading it again?



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I used to think, well, folks are entitled to their opinions as long as they don't try to cram their opinion down my throat.

"If you thought people were initialled to their opinion why come to a discussion forum to argue against others opinion?

and in many peoples opinion thats what happens the moment you disagree with someone and give your alternative view."

Sorry if some folks can't stand the thought that anyone would see things differently from the way they do. There is a HUGE difference between stating an opinion and ACTIVELY forcing your opinion on others by making them LIVE it.



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Now I think people who argue against owning a gun are just plain fools who deserve whatever they get if push comes to shove.

"But why just do nothing to stop push coming to shove?"

I don't know, why? Again, I don't remember EVER saying that people should do nothing to make the world a better place. Just the opposite is true, actually. That's the TROUBLE with the world today and the REASON why things are like they are. Too many people are NOT committed to MAKING THE WORLD BETTER! It's very simple, actually. I'm surprised you didn't think of it...

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In the worst possible scenario, it will be those who can protect and take care of themselves who will remain.

"Social Darwinism, not exactly a great model for a society is it?"

Nature and all life on earth has always run on one underlying premise and always will. Survival of the fittest. It was the natural order of things before humans started mucking about in it, trying to change things they have no control over. It's ALWAYS been the model for society and always will be, as it is the model for all life on earth. But it does not HAVE to end up that only the most violent will survive. HOWEVER it WILL end up that only the SMARTEST and STRONGEST survive. That is how it is SUPPOSED to be. Otherwise, humans will simply breed themselves into extinction.

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Very good post, earthmother. I agree with you.
Thanks.

 

The answer is real simple. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns...

 

agrreed

 

Mother

Since this thread started, conditions have grown much worse around the country.

"But why have they got worse?"

You mean you don't know??? I assume you read, listen to the news, maybe watch youtube videos about current affairs? Why do you SUPPOSE things have gotten worse?

LOL, the reply that always seems to be given by people that don’t have a rational answer – you sound like one of those medieval doom sayers, talking of evil portents of future ill, birds flying in circles and two headed serpents being born.

What specifically are you pointing to as proof that martial law and rioting are imminent?

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The possibility of martial law, rioting, and refugees is getting greater. I think a person would be a FOOL not to have a viable means of protecting their families, homes, and belongings. This does NOT mean you would have to kill someone! Many times, just the sound of a gun being fired into the air would be enough to make someone think twice, or the thought that you are being shot at, even if the shooter is aiming at the ground near your feet would send many people running. And those who it DOESN'T send running MAY HAVE A GUN THEMSELVES and how are you gonna deal with that unless you have something similar?

"So the only way to try and have a better society is to either threaten people with a gun or use a gun on them?"

Did I say that anywhere? That's funny, I don't see that written anyplace in my post. I thought I was very clear. Try reading it again?

Oh you are one of those…you can talk around it and hint at it but as long as you don’t directly say it, it wasn’t said. Like those people that talk of ‘strategic interrogation techniques’ or of using every ‘tool’ to protect democracy but mention torture and they reply – ‘Did I say that anywhere?’

I mean you are not talking of solutions you are promoting the idea of ‘hunkering down’ with a gun and ‘everyone for themselves’ armed with a gun.

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I used to think, well, folks are entitled to their opinions as long as they don't try to cram their opinion down my throat.

"If you thought people were initialled to their opinion why come to a discussion forum to argue against others opinion?

and in many peoples opinion thats what happens the moment you disagree with someone and give your alternative view."

Sorry if some folks can't stand the thought that anyone would see things differently from the way they do. There is a HUGE difference between stating an opinion and ACTIVELY forcing your opinion on others by making them LIVE it.

So there should be no laws? That is how a law is produced after all, opinions are discussed (sometimes elections or votes taken) laws are past.

Some people say that guns are necessary to deal with the symptoms of societal problems but what about finding solutions to those problems.

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Now I think people who argue against owning a gun are just plain fools who deserve whatever they get if push comes to shove.

"But why just do nothing to stop push coming to shove?"

I don't know, why? Again, I don't remember EVER saying that people should do nothing to make the world a better place. Just the opposite is true, actually. That's the TROUBLE with the world today and the REASON why things are like they are. Too many people are NOT committed to MAKING THE WORLD BETTER! It's very simple, actually. I'm surprised you didn't think of it...

Oh mother, you sound confused.

If you don’t know why, then why not try and find out?

I’ve spent a lot of time trying to find out why so many Americans seem to be turning to guns as a means of suppressing the symptoms of societal problems rather than trying to find solutions to those societal problems.

And here you are pushing guns for that very reason.

You claim the reason there are problems is because too many people are not committed to making a better world. But could it be this is because they prefer to turn to guns (like you) to tackle the symptoms rather than trying to find solutions?

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In the worst possible scenario, it will be those who can protect and take care of themselves who will remain.

"Social Darwinism, not exactly a great model for a society is it?"

Nature and all life on earth has always run on one underlying premise and always will. Survival of the fittest. It was the natural order of things before humans started mucking about in it, trying to change things they have no control over. It's ALWAYS been the model for society and always will be, as it is the model for all life on earth. But it does not HAVE to end up that only the most violent will survive. HOWEVER it WILL end up that only the SMARTEST and STRONGEST survive. That is how it is SUPPOSED to be. Otherwise, humans will simply breed themselves into extinction.

Survival of the fittest – the problem with this is what do you mean by ‘fittest’? The strongest individual or the group most suited, adapted or adaptable to the environment? The meaning at the time of its coining seems to have been the latter.

And yes humans have changed that ‘natural’ process, so human society does not always have to conform to it, so please explain why you think “It's ALWAYS been the model for society and always will be”?

And if you think social Darwinism should be the basis of society what of the old or infirm, or mentally ill, if only the ‘smart’ or ‘strong’ should survive what of the others.

Anyone for eugenics?

Also social Darwinism has often been used to argue that “governments should not interfere with human competition by attempting to regulate the economy or cure social ills such as poverty. Instead, they advocate a laissez-faire political and economic system that favors competition and self-interest in social and business affairs.”
Encarta

Do you think that such neo-liberal economics which has been widely pushed by the wealth elites is the best way of creating a better society?

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The answer is real simple. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns...

Oh no, another slogan.

A slogan isn’t a coherent argument it is what is used when you haven’t got a coherent argument, is that why so many come here shout a slogan then run away or cheerlead such slogans without explaining why they agree with them?

It seems to me and others that the US has social problems of which one of the symptoms is a very high level of gun related crime and murder.

I’ve been trying to find out what Americans think they can do about it.

But many times all I seem to get is a blank.

You see once the problem is mentioned the sloganizing begins.

And all the noise seems to be about shutting down the discussion not opening it up.

It happens over and over -

Say – gun issue

And, very often, all you get is slogans not genuine argument.

‘guns don’t kill people, people kill people’

True, but that doesn’t answer the question, why are the people killing each other in such high numbers?

‘if it wasn’t guns it would be something else’

Again it doesn’t answer, why these people seem so determined to kill or injure?

‘If more people were armed they could shoot the crazy shooters’

But why are there so many more crazy shooters in the US?

And this old chestnut

‘When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns’

But why is your society producing so many outlaws, and is the best way of finding a solution to that more guns?

And so on and so on…

Many people are more concerned about defending guns (or promoting them) than they seem to be about the reasons why the issue keeps being raised.

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BLABUS, I grow rapidly tired of people who pretend to misunderstand what folks say in order to create arguments.. I find turning peoples words around and reading things into what one says that are not there to be particularly rude and divisive. Therefore I find your posts to be no more than an annoyance and not worth reading. It isn't worth the time it would take to respond, as you will continue to argue and tell me I've said things I have not. I know I speak VERY CLEARLY and I am not hard to understand. So, either try actually taking what people say at face value or don't bother responding. Thank You.

 

"The answer is real simple. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

This is so true that many folks can't grasp it.

And if guns are outlawed, there will be MANY more outlaws than there are now. Created by the government. And you'd be SURPRISED how many people could be turned into outlaws just by that one thing.