Duck and Cover! - Iraq War may end soon for US!

I am confused by your enthusiasm in the recent uprising. How do you think this will bring an end to the war and not just increase the bloodshed and prolong the US occupation? If I saw just 1 percent of the enthusiasm in the decrease in violence seen in the past few months as I've seen in the increase in violence, I would be shocked.

 

Whenever I envision how this war will end, it usually ends with "fuck, I don't know, the US never should have gone in to begin with". Of course, even knowing it was a bad decision BEFORE the invasion, that doesn't do us any good NOW. I don't yet see a defeat or withdraw from Iraq. The most difficult enemy in Iraq has been suppressed, and even though we will likely see a escalation in offenses, I don't think it will lead to nationwide chaos. We are at a point now where the Iraqi people have had enough, and that is the one ingredient that will lead to stabilizing Iraq. I believe that the goal of the insurgency has evolved. Where it's primary mission used to be to expel the coalition forces, we are now seeing more of a struggle for power. My friends on the ground in Iraq have given me a pretty good sense of what is going on, and call me an optimist if you will, but I still have hope for a successful outcome.

I don't want to end this post with the impression that I'm trying to paint a rosy picture in Iraq, but I have not yet given up.

 

lol

 

Right. I guess, 58,000 American optimists died for the eventual establishment of a communist North Vietnam. :jester:

 

I believe Iraq has the potential to be a Muslim country with an elected government where its people have freedom of speech, religion, and education, and sits atop the worlds third largest oil reserves which means it has a natural resource that should allow its economy to thrive. "Success" in my measure, is when the Iraq government holds enough strength to support itself, and the coalition forces can withdraw from the country.

 

...and the Iraqis?

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Soon the war will end regardless... if Obama becomes president that is.

 

Cheney and Rumsfeld and McCain have already said this is going to be a 100 year war. It will end when World War III ends. This recent incident certainly isn't going to end the war. What does the US government care about the loss of American lives? Technically, the US lost this war years ago. But that doesn't matter to the people in control. They're not losing -- just the American and Iraqi people are losing. To the ones in control, things couldn't be better in Iraq. They want this violence because, to them, it justifies remaining in Iraq, and it justifies the massive and permanent military bases being built there. As long as the US remains in Iraq, lots and lots of money is being made by the select few who never planned on ever leaving.

And don't be foolish enough as to think Obama is going to end the war, either. The media isn't pushing him like they are because they like his smile. I mean, let's be real here.

 

Lots of disinformation going on about this too. I've heard that there were attacks today taking place north in the green zone and the US says they were instigated by terrorists only the British news reports have confirmed that their troops were in fact involved in a hostile mission involving the violence in the area.

The journalists can't even find accurate information until days afterward events when they can actually get the full story.

 

Obama has been against the war from the START and he's said he will withdrawl troops on his first day in office.

 

Are you talking about American soldiers? How do these soldiers fit into the "majority of Americans are stupid" category? You know a lot of soldiers are Republicans. A lot of soldiers are also Chrisitans. The way you talk about stupid Americans, nutjob Christians, worthless Republicunts, and warmongers, I am surprised that you would be worried about "one more drop" of their blood.

 

...that's pretty fucked up!

 

Not all Americans are stupid.

Only the Republican Neo-Conservative Christian assholes like wackyiraqi, that still believe that this war is winnable.

This Iraq War is the Vietnam War of this generation. Deja vu.

History repeats itself all over again, and the stupid Republican Neo-Conservative Christian asshole, who failed to learn from history, still has his head stuck inside his ass.

 

So how is the life of an American worth any more than that of an Iraqi? How does where a person lives make them any more or less human beings?

See, this is the sort of twisted mentality that justifies these wars in the first place. Until we start looking at each other as HUMANS, we are only going to see more death and more suffering.

I find it hard to believe that a person who is truly against war can say something such as what you said above. I really find that to be a sad statement, but indicative of the "us" vs. "them" mentality.

At least the Americans killed in Iraq chose to go over there. The Iraqi people didn't choose to have their country invaded and their loved ones killed.

 

This isn't a war, it's an occupation. Even if we do pull our troops from Iraq, it's already been established that we'll have a permanent military presence there. We have more military bases around the world than any other country. Don't be fooled, we'll invade Iran next. There'll be some kind of "attack" on American soil and the populace will stand by their fearless leader and beat the drums of war. It doesn't really matter who gets the presidency, this country's fate has already been sealed. It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

I don't care for an American life over a foreign life just because they're my fellow countryman. I was born here, that's it. I had no control over it. I feel no love nor take any pride towards arbitrary lines drawn in the dirt.

 

Depends on what kind of American we're talking about. The average flag waving, yellow ribbon, patriot USA USA #1 American, or a poor, widowed, Iraqi mother whose teenage daughter is being raped and tortured by the American superheros while she's forced to watch at gunpoint?

Teach a man to fish and all he catches are red herrings.

 

FedUpAmerica, your logic is terrible; I suggest you change your mind. HUMAN BEINGS ARE DYING. Not Americans, not Iraqis: PEOPLE, with destroyed families that leads way orphaned children, which leads way to a confusing upbringing which can lead way to even more crime into the future.

Stop and think of what you are really saying here. Get your priorities straight.

Snap out of it. You're playing the, "Who's more important game", and you lose sight of what truly matters.

You're better than this kind of thinking.