How the U.S.A. armed Iraq

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It was Sunlion who brought up the torture issue, I simpy pointed out his hypocrisy. You then chose to enter the torture discussion and attempt to shift it, instead of addressing it. You know it is funny how as your response value goes down, your flaming goes up. You and Stev are so transparent.

 

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Because I think countering his flimsy claim with "hey, you're off topic" is weak, and would be viewed as weakness. I would rather point out what he is with fact.

It is interesting how you consistantly call me a fucking idiot, and even in your last two posts you call me a dickhead, and then you expect me to answer a question. Anyhow, I do not take it personally and just take it as your nature.

So, about the pictures. I don't need to view that link to admit that pictures of torture are disgusting. As far as rendition goes, Clinton clearly approved it but Bush took it to a whole new level. How I view rendition is a feable attempt by the FBI and CIA to gather information on terrorists, their organizations, and their plots. Is it effective? Not always. Unfortunatley the US government does not have the people in place to infiltrate these groups (al Qaeda) and illuminate their operations from the inside, which is proven to be best method of bringing down any criminal organization.

Rendition has proven results with certain individuals, Ramzi Yousef, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, Wali Khan Amin Shah, etc... Individuals who are trained in resistance. However, under Bush, since 9/11, I believe the ratio of "fruitful" rendition interrogations is grossly unbalanced. (I cannot prove this except for he fact that the amount of reliable intel does not coincide with the large number of people who have been detained)

I think Bush has continued down the wrong path with his approach to intel gathering, as seen in the "housekeeping" of the CIA. While the new agents and policies are more aggressive than we have seen since the Cold War, that might not be the best approach to defeating this threat.

 

What did I cut and run from? The original post I made was:

"I'll admit I haven't personally researched any of this...I just found this to be quite intriguing. Based on what I've been getting from the media I had a much different impression of the situation."


I wanted to see if what was depicted in that chart was true, which apparently it is. Then I said that I could see why we thought it may have been a good idea to support Saddam originally (before he became a public enemy).

Ask me a question and I'll answer...just chill out with all the personal attacks.

 

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So in summary, I think we're all in agreement that American Republicans of the 1980s were not the only people who aided and supported Saddam Hussein's genocide, which left up to 1.2 million people dead.

 

I'd agree that the US played a comparatively minor role. And the genocide, against the Kurds, killed more like 100-150,000. The 1.2 million figure has to include the war with Iran which wouldn't really count as genocide.

 

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Of courseyou have to prove what they were to be used for. If you have a swimming pool and you go down to the pool supply store to buy chlorine, has the pool supply guy violated the Geneva conventions by selling you chlorine, which has be used to make chloringe gas, a deadly chemical weapon? No. Is Microsoft guilty of supplying Microsof Office to Iraq's Defence ministry if the Defence ministry creates word documents with orders to use poison gas on people? No. In fact, the US was accused of "genocide" by anti-sanctions groups for NOT allowing the export of "dual use" materials and technologies after the war, as many of them had important civilian applications, i.e. chlorine which is used to purify water. Thus to the anti-US activists, the US is guilty of genocide for supplying and not supplying the same thing!

You have a hard time imagining it, so you just assumed. But if you'd done the research, you'd see that anthrax, for example, is a found all over the world and often affects cattle. It isnt something that was invented in a secret US laboratory. If the veterinary research lab at Baghdad University ordered anthrax samples so they could work on vaccines, it wouldn't necessarily have been highly suspicious, especially back then when export controls on this kind of thing were more slack.

As for your second link, I don't think it needs to be responded to. I don't want the debate to veer into "well my original point was completely wrong, but the US is still guilty of other things in other ways".

The US did NOT provide Iraq with WMDs of any type. If you really needed this to be true, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

 

To put it short, you're just going to repeat what people have spent five pages failing to prove!

Nice try!

 

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Have you been reading through this thread from the beginning or have you just joined now? I have spent five pages asking people to back that up but they can't. Nobody supplied WMDs to Saddam, he developed them himself.

 

Following your type of reasoning then it's safe to assume Iran is developing nuclear power solely for domestic energy needs.

 

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Funny my second link spoke to the issue that we knew how the materials were being used.

 

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LOL! Another graduate of the "if its on the interweb it must be true" school. I also got 1.3 million google hits for 'UFO sighting', I guess UFOs must be real!

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So How the hell is a google search supposed to be evidence? This is exactly what Rat did pages ago! Read the thread if you want to join in, you're just repeating what was debunked pages ago.

Well you tell me, do you have a problem with Iran's nuclear program? If we shipped cement to Iran which was used to build a nuclear reactor, would be be guilty of participation in their WMD program?

What I think you are missing is that nobody cares who armed Iraq. What they care about is "in what ways is the US guilty for Iraq getting armed". That's why there is virtually no interest at all in the countries that supplied Iraq with tens of billions of dollars worth of military hardware which was used to attack four different countries and kill several hundreds of thousands of people, but there is an insatiable interest in blaming the US for supplying and not supplying the same chemicals.

 

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