Given that the Reagan supporters I knew at that time used the Swastika as their symbol, it's not at all surprising to see where Republicans have taken their party and country. Call bullshit all you want, but I was there. I worked with mostly Reagan Republicans (in our department at least), and they had an olive drab cloth banner about four or five feet across and square, with a giant red swastika painted onto it. It hung on the wall for the entire time I worked there, for several years. They had another banner that they put alongside it just one day a year, that banner read "Nuke The Nips Day: Made in America, tested on Japan, fuck with us some more and we'll drop 'em on Iran." Surprisingly enough, the words were all even spelled correctly. Their manager, I recall, was okay with it all, he was a biker who had been a full member of the Iron Horsemen until he was shot during their war with (IIRC) the Outlaws not long before and went into retirement. As long as there was no gunfire, he had no problem with anything that went on. He was actually a decent guy overall, and wasn't one of the "Reagan revolution" idiots. One of our other coworkers (who happened to be black) got a job with the Cincinnati Fire Department, and on his last day, they put a wooden cross at his workstation, doused it in lacquer thinner, and set it on fire (this was a machine shop, so smoke was not an issue), and I watched him put it out with a fire extinguisher. I'm sure there are some Republicans somewhere that aren't complete pieces of human shit, but if so, I've not met 'em. Savage would of course blame all of this on Democrats, because we had a very strong union, and back then you had to do something worse than burn a cross or hang a swastika to get fired from a union job (and yes, people did get fired for other things). There was no such thing as "political correctness" or "sexual harassment" policies, but I can recall a pretty nasty thing that they did to a female employee as well. That said, I will admit that I supported Nixon in '72, but I was only in junior high at the time, so that doesn't count for much. The cool kids were for McGovern
So you're FLAT OUT CONDEMNING a group made up of MILLIONS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS based on the actions of a few NEO NAZIS who "worked in your department" and were managed by an OUTLAW BIKER who was "a full member of the Iron Horsemen" and shot in a war with a rival biker faction? :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh BTW, YOU ARE IN DIRE NEED OF THIS -----------> Common sense. Let's see here...does a man with your political affiliations and "beliefs" such as yours condemn MILLIONS of Muslims based on the actions of a few? OR even a few THOUSAND? Or even a few DOZEN THOUSAND? A million bucks says nuh-uh. The smart bet is that people like you will always condemn their own countrymen first and foremost.
It's not that I don't believe your story, I know there are a lot of ignorant people in this world, but your generalizations speak volumes about your character.
What I'm fuking saying is that one really shows their ignorance when they generalize a group by the actions of a few. Whether is be republicans, democrats, hippies, Muslims, blacks, etc... Exactly what I said to Bloodytoenailpolish (or whatever her name is). What questions have I been ducking and dodging lately? May have missed some, I have been posting from my Blackberry. Been on assignment and can't use my Paravant for personal use. I've just been sitting back laughing at all these pissing matches going on lately. And this shit about the economy, honestly I find it boring Some of these threads I feel like I have A.D.D. they've strayed off topic so far. I think I need some Ritalin. I forgot what this forum looks like through a normal screen, been looking at this 2.5inch piece of shit for over a week.
So you're FLAT OUT CONDEMNING a group made up of MILLIONS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS based on the actions of a few NEO NAZIS who "worked in your department" and were managed by an OUTLAW BIKER who was "a full member of the Iron Horsemen" and shot in a war with a rival biker faction? They are a very tame example. They just burned crosses and waved Nazi flags- they didn't kill people they didn't know, they didn't start wars that kill tens of thousands of people, they didn't implement torture prisons, they didn't use the Justice Department to prosecute innocent people, or dismantle habeas corpus, or tear up our Bill of Rights. A "good" Republican nowadays is just one that doesn't fuck young boys. It's not that I don't believe your story, I know there are a lot of ignorant people in this world, but your generalizations speak volumes about your character. Yeah, I suppose we shouldn't "generalize" about the character of Republicans just because they're united in support of the promotion of torture. The only good Republican is a fucking dead one.
I don't think it's necessary to provide proof of what they were to be used for, it went counter to the Geneva Conventions: http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/02.20.03/iraq-0308.html I don't think our participation was so minor. I have a hard time imagining innocent uses for Plague and Anthrax.
And in case you don't agree with the previous link. Here's another: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml
Republicans are only using the privelages that Clinton (a democrat) gave them. The only good hyprcite is a fucking dead one.
Did anybody here speak out against Clinton detaining terror suspects and flying them to Syria, Egypt, or Morocco to be tortured? I complained about a great many things during the Clinton years. Cite the specific case please, give the victim's name, and provide your sources, and I can give you a definite answer.
So you believe that some people deserve due process and others do not? It's a simple question, either you support torture by proxy or you don't.
The argument isn't supporting Bush, it is showing the hypocrisy of chastising republicans for torture, when it happened to be a democrat that approved torture over 10 years ago. Funny that the only comment you make on a democrat approving torture is trying to make is sound like pointing it out is some kind of republican thought process. BTW, I think signing a directive approving extraordinary rendition is pretty specific.
Your typical tactic to argument, try and shift the topic. This isn't about how many pictures we can post, or what Bush has done. CLINTON PERSONALLY APPROVED THE USE OF TORTURE!!!!
"But, Billy did it first." didn't cut it on the playground. I don't see why that excuse is any more valid in the White House. Similarly "But, George did it too!" Torture is wrong whether its done on US soil, Cuban soil (leased for 99 yr to the US), or completely foreign soil. Done by our direction, with our approval, with or without our shut-eye knowlege, or against our wishes; it is wrong and the US needs to stop condoning it.