am I really that awful for this?

Discussion in 'Old Hippies' started by MirakulouslyDead, Sep 24, 2004.

  1. MirakulouslyDead

    MirakulouslyDead Member

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    good day everyone,

    Im just looking for some feedback of some true hippies that have been there and done that and can give some real insight.

    Is it so awful for me to give up on the USA? I really do believe my existance is based upon hippiedom, so I guess yes, Im a hippie.....if anyone in this age can be deemed a hippie. But I'm just wondering, am I a cop-out? Is it so bad of me to be an American with so much despise of the states nowdays? I feel like it is such a lost cause here as of late. I guess this is the pessimistic view not to have on life, but I can't help myself; I feel I can never be happy here. So much is backwards to me. I know there is no one other place that is some happy-peacefilled spot, for the world is becoming ill by the day. But I give up on the USA. It's so bad now, I feel pushed away from hippiedom and the shared views by just being here. There are no doubt some beautiful people here and great things have been accomplished.......I just think the growing numbers of materialistic little minds combined with the government are killing the states. This I don't wish to be part of. Is it so awful of me?
     
  2. HippieLngstckng

    HippieLngstckng Bringer of DOOM!!!

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    No. I think it's completely understandable.

    The United States is a very materialistic culture... I think that it's unfortunate that the only way you matter to others in this country is if you are spending an "Almighty Dollar." Wars are driven by our government's compulsory need (or greed) to aquire more positive cash flow. We all can see how backwards that is, just look at our military spending budget... That hard-earned money I paid into our system for taxes might as well have been used as toilet paper, the way it gets flushed.

    I don't think it's utterly horrible to want to give up on the system...
    But I don't think that you should, just because of the mess we'd be in if everyone did the same.

    We need to encourage more Hippies to vote and take an interest in our government, because it's never going to change if we don't take an active interest.
     
  3. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    This is the world we live in,change what needs changing and accept what can't be changed.It's all good...
     
  4. bre0987

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    I totally agree with you. Our government is so corrupt that if this were to change this country as we know it, it would crumble into turmoil. In fact seperation of church and state, do you actually think this exists? If someone were to run for President and out front say they were atheist but had a wonderful political platform, do you actually think they would be elected. No that would be political suicide. I mean only in America do we have the freedom of speech yet many are censored for their beliefs. The land of the free where we no longer have a fair choice over our sexual preference or personal affairs. And people are way to hung up on looks. I mean I find more beauty in being natural than wearing an inch thick of make-up and starving myself. Now don't get me wrong I love America but right now I'm ashamed of whats happening to this country. And its only going to get worse after this election as both candidates look like bad omens.
     
  5. Fractual_

    Fractual_ cosmos factory

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    maybe you werent meant for america, i can't tell you if you are or arent though. sometimes we do need to make changes in that which surrounds us in order to be happy, or we can adapt, accept, and adjust, and flow... whatever works for you i guess,you got to keep at it until it feels right for you... i'm sure theres places much more beautiful and natural than america. why not do some travelling and check out all the different cultures and ways of life the world has to offer? of course that could mean travelling in the states also. its only realistic to observe whats going down, its not wrong, percieving evil where it exists is a form of optimism imo, but we cant keep embracing that, why would you want to anyways, its not very pleasurable i imagine. i'm sure theres plenty of hippies who are leading happy lives in the states , and i'm sure theres plenty outside the states, if one is happier or not i could'nt say, it's all your perception i guess...
     
  6. MirakulouslyDead

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    thanks for the lines guys and gals. I dunno, I know Im such a bummer.

    classic case of the US Blues I guess............. I try! :)

    by the way, I've traveled all around the states and that's actually what triggered my poor outlook on the things I saw.

    who knows, maybe if GW gets his energy outta this place, things will be better.
     
  7. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    It don't matter who's president,it don't matter who's running this country,it don't matter who god is.How did john lennon say it "I don't believe ...I just believe in me",or should I say imangine there's no country.What it comes down to is it's all just superficial bullshit,just believe in yourself and don't let it get to you.
     
  8. MirakulouslyDead

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    yes, yes I know. I sometimes just release my emotions on this site. Gives me something concrete and helps with my thought.
     
  9. earthfog

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    America is not realy bad, as far as goverments go
    People ar not realy that bad, as far as people go
    We were born to strugle, the more you have the more you need, that is nature.
    Going against that is going against natute, will take a lot of evolution for people to be satisfied.
    not saying it is right or defiending anything, just letting you know, non Hippies have there reasons and are following there path.
    Don't join, but don't get to far.
    Living on the fringe has a lot of benifits.
    Try your best to help out, in whatever way you see fit.
     
  10. weirdidiot2003

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    i dont like american culture in the least bit. its all about money cars and drugs. that summarizes american culture right there! and i think most people would agree with that. i wanna move to canada. there are some seriously hot women out there in canada!! and all canadiens i ever met are cool as hell
     
  11. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    I don't know about all that wierd..I don't think that most americans are that greedy..as a middleclass hippie I don't live like that.. I like my comforts but I don't have to have the latest or keep up with the jones's..you can't persuade me to belive that anyone enjoys sleeping in the street or alley better than a clean bed or likes to eat unclean food..we all want better.. that's our nature..we come from a slave ancestery and have been trying to rise above it..our job is to progress not regress.. I don't want to live like the they did in the caveman days.. I want to be civilized.. and live in peace and prosper.. I want my kids to have better for them then I had.. and I want peace for my grandkids to live in.. if that makes me a sellout I don't care.. I'm not here to be a puppet.. I have lived life the hard way and learned many lessons.. I'm not trying to be anything but my self and stay true to what my heart tells me to do.. we all have responsibility to ourselves..
     
  12. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    You forgot sex.
    People are people wherever you go.Thanks for the putdown.I wish I was canadian so I could be cool as hell.
     
  13. steffan

    steffan puffin

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    It's not america you are hating, but an aspect of the human condition.
    If a bunch of hippys were to head down to south america and start a nation how long do you think it would be before those who are in power are curoppted by that power? People say, "the us is this way or that way", but if you say white people are like this or that your considered narrow minded

    The fact the someone wants to be president should automaticaly disqualify them.. isaac asimov
     
  14. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    If your not part of the solution.. your part of the problem.. if your can't handle the fire stick then by all means run.. we need people with backbone to make changes..how can you be part of anything if you don't stick to your people..
     
  15. steffan

    steffan puffin

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    that is a reality check on my cynasism, i have see it go down too, watched as the noise people make reach up to the top and the envirment become a political stand
     
  16. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    I don't mean to be crass.. but I hear it everyday.. when are things gonna change.. why is there a war..why can't we make a decent living. and then go sit down and watch TV and complain about the news.. or leave the country...like an american is loved anywhere.. and what if we did all rise up.. is that not agression and a form of war..ok.. I have to go to a funeral.. I'll be back later
     
  17. MirakulouslyDead

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    wow, i was "put in my place" . thanks guys and girls, i feel so understood and supported.

    shameless... I guess you are right about 1 thing ..... "like an american is loved anywhere" ~> i must bleed red, white, & blue
     
  18. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    I hope you mean that because we do understand and support.I for one wasn't trying to put you in your place.The American system can be disheartening.No one blames you there.It was another posters comment about canada that irritated me.People treat you like you treat them,so if he doesn't like the people here he won't do better elsewhere.
     
  19. colombianhippie

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    Yeah I don't like much of our government either, but I live here and I can't do anything about it. I wouldn't mind moving to Canada either, ppl up there are pretty darn awesome!!!
     
  20. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    ..but wait until they get to know you.
     
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