A way to predict the future.

Discussion in 'The Future' started by Viphorix, Mar 5, 2008.

  1. Viphorix

    Viphorix Member

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    Im just throwing this out there as a theory that I have thought of and truly believe. I want to here what you all have to say.

    First off in order to believe this you have to believe that nothing is truely random and that concept while difficult to belive is in fact true. Nothing happens with out a reason and nothing is actually random.

    Lets come back to that though. Second I need to say that the mind is just like a circuit board. When something goes in there will be an exact output. If I say hi(in one exact circumstance) a person will reply with an answer. This answer will depend on the moment, but if that moment were rewinded 5 seconds back and replayed they would reply EXACTLY the same way. If this is true than given enough information someone could infact predict everything a person is going to do. You would need to knoe EVERY little bit of information abotu that persons entire life though. Only theoretically possible.

    If you agree with those 2 concepts than lets continue. If someone drops a glass and breaks it or someone cant stop in time and hits someone. While it was an accident it wouldnt change if we redid the moment. Thus not random. Its not a random mistake, because wihle it wasnt what you meant to do its exaclty how you ad your brain communicated that moment. Either you didnt knwo the glass was slippery or you thought it was lighter. What ever the reason it wasnt random. It never is.

    If nothing is random than while the future may not be written it can be predicted. If you were to put 2 exact universes next to each other(with no communication between the 2 of course) then each universe would evolve exactly the same. THere would be no reason for anything to be differnt from one or the other.

    Since this is true if we somehow desigend a computer to contain and use ALL the information from everything. It has to know where ever atom is and how every atom will work with the other. Everything about every person. An aboslutley impossible thing by todays standards, but if we had it we coudl design that computer to simulate the future in a faster form. Thus predicting the future. The scary thing is the impact the computer would have on the world would send it into a very confusing meltdown. IT would have to be completely isolated and have no effect on the future.

    Well, thats about it. Let me know how you feel about it.
     
  2. soaringeagle

    soaringeagle Senior Member

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    really? i dont think so, you see i type pretty fast, for someone who types wioth 1 finger, i also type in the dark quite oftemn and hit the wrong keys, by your theory, if nothings random then every typo would be the dsamne typo everytijme i mispell a certain work
    that same above is the 1st time ive ever typed same rhat way but i've typed it many many other wats randomly
    it cant be predicted no matter how much ya know about me or my brain, my brain cant even predict what it will do a second latrer
    i cant predivct what my own next thought might be

    the future is random, however, it can be predicted because past present and future arent as disconnected as we believe
    what will happen has happened and is happening,
    history is a long string of interconnected nows every event, random or deliberate creates (for lack of a better vissual refference) waves, or turbulence which effects every now after..so predicting the futures really a matter of being sensative to these waves, seeing howe all the worlds past events and experiences are acting on the now we believe we are in and following theyre influences beyond this now into a distant 1 ..the trickiest part is wrapping your brain around the concept of past pressent and future not actualy being seperated by time but inited by it, for instance, the future of the past is the same future of the pressent, just like the pasty of the future is the same past of the pressent, and it doesnt matter where on that scale you place the now
    just had another thoughgt, which i think is why you say nothings random
    when something random happens, it becomes a part of history, rewinding as you say you see it happens the same way ahgain, not because its noyt random, but because all things in time are interconnected (and not as linear as we think)
    a flip of the coin now that comes up heads came up heads in the past a momment after it was flipped it also came up heads in the future a momment before it was flipped
    that action although completely random cannot change wether its happened already, will happen ir is happening now
    we can predict it because it has happened in a past (a futures past, but still it has happened)

    becfause i just wrote this now i can completely predict with a 90%
    accuracy that in the very near future someone will say i have no idea what i'm talking about

    (and ofcourse they'll be right)
    but hey, in my mind it made as much sence as your theory
     
  3. Viphorix

    Viphorix Member

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    Your typing isnt random. See, when you type the work the for example. You intend to type the consiously, but on the subconsiouns based on that exact moment your brain can only make the best possible guess as to where to purposely send your fingers. You may type fast and make mistakes, but if you type teh durring an exact moment then rewind that exact moment and you will still type teh, becaue there is absolutely no reason for you to change your typing. Your brain will still make the mistake of sending one finger to e before it hits h.
     
  4. Viphorix

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    I would also like to add a reason why nothing with the human mind or body is random. See, no matter how complex or unpredictable as the mind is to us, it is nothing but a very complex computer. Something triggers something else to happen. None of it is random. Because the way the mind works is in now way random then nor is any of our physical actions. If we flip a coin we do not yet posess the physical coordiantion to flip it exactly they same way everytime, but thats only because we cannot replicate actoins perfectly. We can try, but our brain will only do the best it can to remember it. Regardelss in moment A which lasts 5 seconds we will flip this coin and our brain will tell our hand to do what ever. And depending on the moment it will be somehting call it heads. Now rewind moment A. This isnt us trying to replicate this. This is us in the exact moment again. There is absolutly no reason for anything to be differnt. We have no recolection of anything. The same things our going through our mind. The air current is the same. Absolutely everything is exaclty the same. There is no reason for it to be difffernt. Because it would not be differnt it cant be random. Unpredictable in todays environment, but not random.
     
  5. themnax

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    trends can be observed and plotted, and the consiquences of their observably predictable intersections calculated. there will always be wild cards too though.

    so that limits predictions, many sorts of predictions, to being reliably only with a lot of generalizations and disclaimers.

    which is just as well, because otherwise, it would be too much like reading the last page of a book before the first chapter or preface.

    on the other hand, there are SOME kinds of things it IS useful to have some idea there comming at us in advance. not that people ever listen or do anything about them anyway. not when there are political or economic proccessess involved.

    but on an individual level such foreknowledge is occasionally usefu.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  6. Viphorix

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    You cant jsut say of we cant do it now so it cant be done. Obvilusy we dont even have the remote technology to even start this, but if something isnt random it can be predicted. And Im saying nothing is random. take a coin flip for example. A computer cant predict the outcome of a coin flip until you look at it differntly. First off it would have to know which side it starts on. Then you if it knows the pressure applie to flip it it could predict the outcome. Even where it lands. its all jsut math and angles. After that you could even deign a computer to flip a coin to be and land wehre ever you wanted.
     
  7. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    there's random and there's random. we live in a statistical universe, which means any given instance might be a coin toss or a die roll, but given enough of them a clear and unambiguous pattern emerges. somethings it takes a LOT of instances for it to do so. sometimes not very many at all.

    so yes, trends and their intersections can be observed and ploted. only that doesn't preclude the unexpected and unpredicted from happening also. only from being the majority of instances.

    =^^=
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  8. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    Dude, that's exactly the plot of the movie Paycheque.

    I suggest you watch it.

    What you describe is very real and could be done even today, it's basically a ton of mathematical equations which if correct, all of them correct, the future could be told.

    However the mathematical equations would not be eternal they would have to be calculated for a certain time period, maybe a few months or a few years but certainly they would require constant re-calculation and the costs would indeed not be worth it.
     
  9. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    sounds like asamov's harry seldon, or was that clark's, i forget.
    also there is something called the world futures society, sometimes abreviated in speach as the wufs.

    at any rate it only works for large general trends, what any individual experiences is still a roll of the probability dice.

    we do togather however, create the conditions we each alone experience.

    the BEST WAY to predict the future is still of course: to create it.

    =^^=
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  10. J0hn

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    To predict the future, you first have to analyse the first action, then assume which reaction will start a chain event to that destiny. The future hasn't happened yet. It isn't like another world,it simply doesn't exist. History is now, the future is now. To predict the future, I suppose you should start with now. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves;)
     
  11. Bl4ck3n3D

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    The last part about Universes, is wrong. Sorry, but that's not the way things work in the omniuniverse. There are many universes, all with different qualities and way of evolution/life. No two Universes are the same.
     
  12. J0hn

    J0hn Phantom

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    Just keep rubbing your crystal balls. Who knows.
     
  13. TheLizardKingMike

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    My theory is this: We're living in the past.
     
  14. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    You’re right no two universes are exactly the same, but there could be nearby universes out there that interact and closely resemble our own.

    To what extent is open to interpretation, but some scientists believe the double-slit experiment to prove wave-particle duality is evidence of nearby parallel universes [​IMG]



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    Hotwater
     
  15. TheLizardKingMike

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    E=MC^2 is all that needed to be said.
     

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