A few day's ago I tripped on br-DF and I noticed one good thing - I felt in some moments while I listed Enya's songs a little spiritual and religious (I was surprised beacouse I'm atheist). I like that aspect of trip's. I have a question: which of a rc it's the most spiritual for you?
Ive taken some stupid doses of 4-Ho-Mipt. Brilliant visuals but nothing visual. I hear 4-Aco-DMT is quite Spiritual. <--- Next to try
I agree for sure with you ConCat. AMT is just jaw-shatteringly good, and the most spiritual RC I've had the pleasure of ingesting. I don't really believe in god, but I almost believe amt is god. lol.
Trypto, It's up to you for sure, but drugs or no drugs you've gotta believe there is some higher power than humans making all this shit happen, right?!! I've gotta believe in God (or whatever aka you choose), or else life is worthless in my opinion. Life is so much more fulfilling that way if you ask me. Just my 2cents. J
Mushrooms are by far the most spiritual drug for me. I haven't had more good experiences on anything. Mushrooms tend to make me come face to face with myself and life and I try and piece it together in a way I can understand, and this tends to allow me to find things I would definitely call "spiritual" as I believe I have found God on mushrooms and now truly do believe. Obviously in my own way, not in the religious sense of going to church and such, but I do believe in God now ever since a hard experience I went through turned out to be wonderful after a 2nd night of tripping to clarify my findings. To each their own however. -DP
@ Shamanic Steve: 4-AcO-DMT is a very spiritual drug for me. In a similar way to mushrooms. I sense a great knowledge, perhaps of some entity, when on the drug. After doing it I honestly can't see how anyone could not learn from the experience of that drug. When you do try it, enjoy it, it is a truly magical chem.
4-aces was a great experience much much like mushrooms, i also learned much from 4-Aco-DMT, but as far as most spiritual i'd have to say DMT i found a side of me i never knew existed becoming more intune with your own mind and soul.
^^^Good to hear, I may be trying this one soon. It definitely sounds very interesting. How was your trip? If you don't mind giving a brief report.
ive done 2c-i and 4-ACO-dipt... neither of those were spiritual mostly visual + some body high on 2c-i. if you want spiritual i would go with mushrooms and MDMA. those 2 are my religion
in my experience.... DPT. definitely, and hands down, though 2C-E was pretty interesting in higher doses. but still, DPT. DPT DPT DPT the divine picture theater.... it wont explain the visions, but it WILL show you...
nesta: have you tried to smoke dmt? I think dmt is more powerful than dpt but I don't have any experiences with it.
So far my most spiritual is 2C-B, then at least two bowls of marijuana. 2C-B alone could not compare to some RCs, but after smoking two hits of pot after dosing all night, I experienced the greatest psychedelic experience. OEVs were the same exact CEVs, getting more intense and colorful making very synthetic designs that could only otherwise be made from a computer, and at times I could have more than one type of visual at once. My ego explained it (I) was God, and the life we have now is always being drawn on a dimensional canvas.
I think "RC" pertains to every old laboratory synthesized phenethylamine and tryptamine (the bulk of which synthesized after 1960), as well as all modern chemicals, these days on the Internet. Hell, I used to consider MDMA and the like as RCs even though I knew it wasn't true. See, I hate people like the poster above and below for going through such lengths just to spite me and other members. I knew posting my first sentence would cause controversy and I expected no less than Nesta trying to prove me wrong. We already know Mescaline and Shrooms are not RCs, but many of their cousins were synthesized in laboratories for the purpose of research or other form of ambiguity.
dimethtyltryptamine was first synthesized in 1931, and is among the most widely studied psychedelics known to humanity, up there with mescaline and the most widely studied psychedelic, lysergic acid diethylamide. its widely studied effects (in both human and nonhuman animals), its schedule I status, and its long history of scientific study disqualify it from RC status, under the generally understood meaning of the term i was unable to find the year in which dipropyltryptamine was first synthesized (though my search was admittedly brief, scanning through erowid, wikipedia, and a few pages i found on google) the earliest references i have found to it are from the 1970s. it has been studied in humans somewhat, but is still relatively enigmatic. its quasi-legal status (while it remains unscheduled, its possession, sale, and use could clearly be prosecuted under the federal analog act as an analog to either DMT or DET), its arguably recent introduction to humanity, and its widespread availability through so-called "research chemical" vendors qualify it as an RC in most people's minds. DMT cannot be said to meet any such criteria. though its a more recently introduced substance, i wouldnt consider MDMA a research chemical, either, due to its schedule I status and relatively well studied effects in humans (it was legally used in people prior to the introduction of the DEA's rather frightening "emergancy scheduling" procedure, in which a section of the executive branch of government somehow is allowed to carry out the duties of the legislature if they deem a particular substance to threaten the american people) it does not meet the criteria of a research chemical. i would even suggest that 2C-B isn't quite a research chemical, either, though my arguement would be weaker than that regarding MDMA (since research chemical is a colloquial term rather than scientific, its meaning is rather elastic depending on who you ask) its less well studied in people than MDMA is, and an equally valid arguement could probably be made that it is an RC as my arguement that it is not. either way the fact remains that i have yet to experience relatively pure DMT, and have only tried to gain effects from plant sources. i hope someday when i have the time, money, equipment and space available to make a smokable extract of DMT on my own and have a full-on DMT experience, but as i'm relatively disconnected from the majority of the psychedelic community i have no black market source of relatively pure material and will have to wait till i may extract some from semi-legal plant sources at my leisure. for some time now i have considered ayahuasca, however. DPT, though, is still a -very- powerful substance when taken properly, and is among the most profound (though also among the most alien feeling) psychedelics i've experienced to date.
Just understand that for the Internet, you don't have to go through such lengths to prove somebody wrong when the consensus prefer to have its own system. I mean, yeah, 2C-B has been abused by enough people now to the point that Erowid no longer lists it as an RC, just as all of the DO*s are no longer considered RCs. You know what? We still associate them with RCs on the Internet (and IRL), anway .
