Actions.

How much control do you believe you have over your actions?

 

This is an awesome question.

Every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction, right?

I believe once the human being started to think about their own thoughts,
we became able to alter our path.

Yet, all is inevitable.

It's a paradox.

 

it depends on your awareness. If you know why to (or not to) do the action, you have more control, and less regret, which is silly anyway. I think I have a lot of control over my actions, but sometimes my emotions cloud my judgment.
your question is vague, as must be my answer

 

I don't think you have a lot of choice about the type of person you are, but you have choice about how finely tuned those attributes are. You have control over whether you'll be a weak version of yourself or a strong one. Whate'er thou art, act well thy part....

 

Does this have anything to do with the guy who just posted a clip of Waking Life in a thread in Activism? Because theres a scene in that movie where a guy talks about this.

Anyway, I Don't really know the answer to this. As I see it, everything around me that I acknowledge is there based on my vision and me assuming it is real. If I don't beleive my computer is real, does it go away? If so, then can I make my computer go away just by forcing myself to beleive it isn't real? If we can control everything in our "Reality" then aren't we "Gods"?

Alternatively, it could be as simple as something like the Matrix. Although the movie was overdone and the sequels took away from it, the first one made me think as I saw it when I was in 4th or 5th grade. What if we are all being lied to, what if I'm the only real thing on this planet and everyone lies to me, what if I'm not even who I am, But an observer? What If I'm observing a person, and sometimes I can force them to do certain things like type this, and sometimes I can't. What if I'm not the only one observing and controlling whoever I am?

There are so many questions like these, and my assumption would be that although I believe anything is possible, it seems as if there is one singular all-important universal truth, or no truths at all.

Also, weed makes me feel like I can control my body and everything. I can feel my entire body when I get VERY high, which unfortunately is taking more and more weed to accomplish. I can't really describe this feeling, but part of me has a theory that if I am this "observer" and I only sometimes have control, that when I'm high I get much more of that control.

 

Pretty much none, if someone pisses me off or talk's shit to me then i hit 'em in the face. Then they learn to stfu.

 

your choice.
but it was going to happen allllllllll along.

 

I think in many ways its impossible to know whether we have power over our actions or not. If somebody does know, it's the being who deos have control, and for whatever reason (the reason why may be more complicated than if we do or do not have control) they have kept it from us.

 

If we can control everything in our "Reality" then aren't we "Gods"?


kinggeorge, this statement is more profound than you or I realize. i'm currently under the belief that those religious folks who defer their eternal happiness to a place beyond the grave, have it sooo wrong. I kinda believe that we're already in heaven, and the more people who realize it, the more heavenly the earth will be. It's like having your cake and eating it too to think there's a blissful afterlife for you when this world and our short lifetime on it has all you need to be rapturous. How ungrateful it must seem to a possible creator that we are so disgusted by its creation that we can't wait for some mystical perpetuity the moment we die...

I think we should just become gods ourselves here and now. There's no limit to human potential except the limits we put on ourselves, resulting in an average of 10% brain usage as a median standard. Seems like a waste of brains...I guess ppl figure that once they DIE they'll get access to the other parts of their brain. how fukin lazy...

 

Wow, thanks for putting it that way, I don't see how I never thought of it like that. I think that we put a lot more emphasis on death and afterlife than necessary. I think that we should focus on life NOW and that the rest will fall into place later. If we're in heaven, and we die, where do we go? Wow, I just started to try to answer that question and realised its stupid, and maybe a waste to try to answer. I think I may need to think about this before talking about it more. However, do you think that in order to accept this heaven for what it is we will need to construct a new society? Can we?

 

Earth is heavenliest.

 

society is a nonentity...meaning it is not a person, just a collection of them. Since "doing what is good for society" is directed toward a nonentity, it's really not changing anyone at all. It's common for us to think of the rest of the population as something solid or something that is a frame of reference or can be used to gauge morality, but if everyone thinks that way, there's no solid social basis, and no gauge for morality at all. These standards have to come from the individual, the power of one. If one sets his own standards, based primarily on his perception of nature and what enhances his happiness by his own effort, regardless of the "potential" he's inherited by his culture...He is a new society.

But if one doesn't start one's journey of decision-making in a natural world, where one has nobody to depend on but oneself, to ensure one's own survival, according to one's own rational judgement, one has no sense of self and no understanding of the power of the individual. Only the awareness of his mortality and the desire to remain alive is enough for man to assign his hierarchy of values in proper order, basing what he values on what he rationally perceives.

Obviously the modern world offers nothing like this. If we're born into an artificial world, the methods of survival have already been discovered, and we're left in a distorted situation: we don't first place our value pyramid on the will to survive because survival has become a nonissue, taken for granted by most of us....and that's why we have these ridiculous divisions of religion and idealogy; we really have no idea what we value so we defend the values that our emotions are bound to.

So I guess until we're in a world that forces the individual to think for himself in a survival situation as the norm for value-assessment, we won't change society at all. We'd either have to start doing vision quests as the natives did, or be humbled by some type of apocolyptic event or something.

PS we absolutely put too much emphasis on death...just another symptom of not having the right rationality about death from having not faced it. All the effigies with jesus on a crucifix is a monument to this skewed view of death.

 

what the hecks going on with this thread its so deep and meaningful... our actions are simple you either choose to do something or you dont. i really dont believe in "fate" i have faith that everything will turn out alright in the end though. i just dont think that its already predetermined by some "higher being" or all that mumbo jumbo. i can choose not to reply to this message or type what im typing now. i can go move something from one spot to another at anytime i want. no one else is controlling me to do it i choose what i do. emotions do could judgement when you think back on situations your anger or sadness or happyness makes you do spontanous things. theres no set way that your going to do anything it just happens. i believe that everyones chooses their own fate through their actions. the people that dont think about their actions are the ones that fuck it up for other people and themselves. take a car crash for instance one person is driving along paying complete attention to whats going on and doing everything right. another person is comming at them all drunk with a bunch of people in the vehicle with them music going etc. swerves over the line SMASH innocent person thinking about their actions dies. that person that was drunk with music going and doing a bunch of crap chose to do that so that was their fault. even if it was an accident the person wasnt paying attention. i dunno i have thousands of examples running through my mind right now to be able to discribe this the way im thinking about it.

anyways to sum this up your actions IMO dont only recpipricate(sp?) to your own life but also fuck/benefit others as well. humans actions are what runs things for our lives. some people chose to fuck this planet and their lives to shit. others chose to help the planet and themselves along with making other peoples lives better. hopefully this made sence i just cant follow with deep meaningful posts when theres other explinations that are so much simplier.

 

I think the more control you think you have the less you actually have.

 

but doesnt it make sence that everyone has the same control over their actions. i guess all people have different IQs so its hard to say that everyone has equal control. for instance people with autisim dont know what they are doing or how the real world really is. ive known a few autisitic people one was in my class and another was alot younger in a different school and they just dont have a concept of the world like an average person. everyone believes differently so theres no way to really think exactly like another person. each persons thoughts are their own and each person actions are their own. even if either of them effect other peoples thoughts and actions.

 

a line from one of my favorite bands, Wookiefoot, goes "if you think you're free then you can't escape"... i find this to be true and somewhat of an answer to your question

 

i was just browsing youtube and i found this crazy kid. hes got alot of fuckin wacked out videos. i think its a pretty funny example of some peoples actions and what he does with them. he does alot of speeding up and slowing down on his other videos.

hes pretty crazy and some will proll find these videos annoying but i thought they fit good in this thread LOL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihKxb_NVVU&feature=user

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq7Zftq9W9k&feature=related
just look at some of the other videos from the same user they are all pretty wierd.

 

Physicaly, we shouldn't be able to have free will.. like someone else said... everything is just cause and effect. We only do things.. because we were influenced by other things.

We are not an island.. we shouldn't be able to make choices that are not completely influenced by everything we percieve.

The problem is.. that us being entirely physical would mean that we can't be conscious, living, self aware beings... just because we have a complex arangement of atoms within our brains... doesn't mean to say that it can create consciousness....

The world we live on is more complex than our brains.. but we don't see the world as having a consciousness..

so the problem is.. that by the laws of science.. we can't have free will.. but the fact that we are self aware.. and seem to be able to make choices makes it a paradox.

This leads many people to believe that there is a flaw in our logic.. we are not thinking in the right terms.. there must be some kind of non-physical, unexplainable part of our minds.

 

This.

 

Did you come up with that? It's very nice.