Permit or No Permit-A Poll

All of this just shows that you've only looked from the outside...I know plenty of A-campers & road dogs who do quite well for themselves & I know plenty who have sobered up; sorry if you don't...I feel that's a loss for you cuz it's wonderful to see folks who have healed. Our kitchen was known as 'B'-camp for boozeless...our crew has a similar rough edge like road dogs tend to have & some of them still drink during the year, but when they are Home, they plug into our camp & go to gate once or twice to visit if they get an undenyable urge to drink, otherwise they are the most productive folks I've ever seen.

Bro, how you can make so many assumptions when you have never researched into the complexities of alcoholism & homelessness, let alone the dynamics of adding the Rainbow Family into the equation, is beyond me. Let me tell ya, after 18+ years as an active Rainbow, I know of a great many A-campers who have had my back many a time.

Now I am going to put up the fftopic: message because this thread is about permits. The particular conversation you are trying to have is located in another thread, so please pull up that thead & continue if you wish, but for several of us here, this is an old drawn out topic.


Anyway...so no permit was signed this year & no tickets were issued for illegal Gathering, so maybe there is some serious hope this issue to finally end

 

Oh yeah... Feel the love. Typical hypocrite. Love, peace, harmony... and then start the flaming and profanity when something hits to close to home.

I just made one of my points about your typical rainbow.

Thanks for the help.

This was a permit issue and and I brought up effects of A camp on the reputation of the group as a whole.

If getting all bent out of shape helps you somehow, go for it. I attacked no specific individual and will not start now with your statement. I have made a lot of other posts in Hip and yes.. I do spread the love. But I am not to got agree with something I think is wrong just to look cool.

 

your typical rainbow???


is there a typical A camper?? is there a typical gutter punk?? i think not..


i love how people make broad generalizations to try an make a point.. it makes them look like complete buffoons.

i was one of them crusty kids way back when,, a gutterpunk,, spangeing an thieven.

slowly over the course of 7 years i found my way on the right path(wow over 25 years with the family). i have the rainbow family to thank for that. since then ive devoted my life to helpin the crusty kidz the road dogs, by giving them a way station..

i can honestly say that your generalizations are just that. i know A campers that make damn good money ,that have good jobs and decent homes. i know many kidz who used to be road dogs, spangin an thieven there way across america who are now traveling the right path.. an im one of them..

i think its really sad that someone labels people lumps them in a pile an deems them worthless just because they have had few bad experiences.

on the flip side,, theres usually a reason why someone is picked as a mark,, makes me wonder how you treated these folks before you gave up on them...

 

I've NEVER had a problem with Crustys or Road Dogs. I came across them daily living in Missoula. Most of the ones I met were train hoppers and always actively doing something constructive.

Road Dogs and Crustys tend to be a rough crowd and young (generalizing of course), but I almost admire the frieght hopper variety that I met so often. I'll say that they didn't Posture near as much as those drunks and bullies at A Camp. I'd party with the crusty's and Road Dogs than I would those bums at A Camp.


I generalize the group, not the individual. A Campers are fine when they first wake up at 2pm from the previous nights drunk. Come 3-4pm and they are annoying and obnoxious again.

 

i would have to agree with you there, one in particular comes to mind,,no wait,, hes always obnoxious..but i can honestly say i know some damn likable A campers,that aint lookin to start shit ...

 

I Dont Care About Any Permit They Cant Stop Who I Am And What I Do

Im So Happy I Came Out The Closet Today Go Read My Post

Im Gay And Ok

 

Sorry, I came in a little late. Let me guess:

LEO: law enforcement officer
A-camp: A gathering of Rainbow-type anarchists that permits consumption of alcohol.

Is this correct?

 

UNBIASED:

A Camp is consists solely of Power Drinkers and Alcoholics. Most over the age of 30 (from my experience).

A Camp has a Reputation for being rough.

BIASED:

A Camp usually wants to stick their noses in everything and they end up blowing small problems up into big mountains. They can quickly make a bad situation, worse.

They try to play the gathering security (judge, jury, and executioner). All the while doing whatever they want.

 

dirtydog,

You've been helpful. I was planning to wait for ever if I had to to find out what leo's and A-campers were. No way I was going to draw attention to my ignorance by asking.

My word for leo's is "police agents." That's what I call'm.

 

I don't think we should be signing permits, But that right seems to be well on it's way to being legislated out of existance. Maybe if more of us voted, instead of just complaining about it.

 

Fk permits

 

No Permits!!!

 

it says I was here yesterday, but I was at work, I dont get it?

 

How can someone sign a permit “for” the family one person can't speak for the whole gathering it is against the rainbow way.


Fuck the permits; no one has any right to sign them for the family.

 

Iam an elder of the Israel family. Each year our family in Israel and similarly, in the European Gathering has to face the same "permit" issue. Our family includes all people under the rainbow, does it not? Including "Babylon" authorities, often difficult and different in philosophy. Each year our "seed camp" must come to terms with these 'authorities'. Always the 'rainbow spirit' somehow solves the 'conflict'... Those of us actually at the gathering find our strength in circles. No leaders, just respect the circle and the talking stick. Representatives of that circle may sign permits if they volunteer. Rainbow democracy and even our beloved individualistic anarchy are preserved. May the Spirit bless us all...

 

Davideshkol i agree with you totally.


"Rainbow democracy and even our beloved individualistic anarchy are preserved" <--This is only statment i found in reading this thread to be totally neutral and sympathetic to both arguments!

Im going to Ocala this in a couple days and despite all the heresay & libel i plan on having a good time with my family even if the LEO's are going crazy!

Lovin You All

 

I checked 'Let the Forest Service sign the permit' - let them care of it if they want. But this should stay between them. I agree we shouldn't sign up anything because if we will do sooner or later there will be situation that they will not give us that sign. And then what we'll do?
I was Rainbow organizer 2 times in Warmia forest in Poland. Forest Service came each time but we knew one guy from them and they were ok. Even he took his wife, children next day and came to the gathering for a while.

 

your rights are whatever you tell yourself they are. we all have rights to do whatever we want, all you have to do is do it. and if the man wants to put you down, don't hesitate to handcuff him to a tree and take off his mighty belt of power. after all, we are all just men, none better than others.

 

i say don,t sign the permits i was at duck pond this year a lotta bro and sister got tickets they said we should all come outta the woods and get tickets together that sound ok but as for me i beleave we should duck and hide unless we r all going to stand and fight which isent the rainbow way to fight that is the best place to make that stand is at a national gathering but if u plan on doing that plan it right like a sight with pleanty of freash water with lots of places in witch to stand ur ground without having to give up ur safety,welp dats all i got to say fer now.
Wolf

 

If a permit is all the FS want, there's no reason except stubbornness not to sign. This many people in the backwoods poses numerous problems, fire not the least of them. I feel that permits allow the FS to promote land stewardship. Now, whether they are really stewards of the land is another question, but I feel that they ought to be given the tools necessary to do so.

In the end, though, the permit has very little to do with the average rainbow. And it can be used as a weapon against us....remember WV?