A liberal world.

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i think if it doesn't, there's an awfully good chance humanity, and possibly the entire web of life on planet earth, might not too many more decades survive. of course i mean that going by my own perception of what "liberal" would be.

by liberal i mean putting real morality ahead of the often fake 'traditions' of so called conservatism.

by real morality i mean simply the avoidance of causing suffering.

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I don't see such a neat linear progression at all. The U.S. is significantly more conservative today than it was in the 60s/70s.

At least youth culture and political trends are.

But American liberalism is not my cup of tea anyway. I'm a straight leftist...I'm worried about the systemic rather than individual attitudes toward this identity group or that.

 

no

I see us destined to be more confined and with less rights rather than the other way around

 

Well the thing with linear generalizations is that they don't really reflect all the fits and starts of humanity, you know?

 

objective religious morality? LOL

 

We draw the line when the weak or innocent are being hurt. Pedophilia is not in the same league as homosexuality-it involves hurting children. This is not a liberal value.

I think that humans will always be moved to protect those in need of protection, like children, the disabled, or animals. It's nothing to do with liberal or conservative. I believe that some things are absolutely wrong, with no subjective judgement involved.

 

When it comes to government, I am conservative. I would like a small or limited government, that doesn't overtax its people, doesn't spend so much money, and lets people choose how to live their lives. I think the states should vote individually on moral issues such as drugs, marriage, abortion, etc. Basically, I'm like a Libertarian, but I consider myself an Independent due to the dominance of our current 2 party system.

Most Republicans like to claim they are conservative, but they are only Reagan conservatives. They believe being conservative means being Christian and holding Christian views on moral issues, instead of letting the people decide themselves. They also like to cut taxes but not cut spending, and now our national deficit has been growing at approximately $1.47 billion/day!! This Reagan conservatism needs to stop.

 

I associate liberalism with less rights, since liberalism today is really socialism, which is a system of big centralized government that serves to manage people under the guise of "helping" them.

Most people think government has drifted to the right over the years, but in reality it's drifted far towards the left, and BOTH parties operate under fabian socialism. It's just that the rhetoric is different so the people believe the two sides are different when they are really almost identical. This is why we see government getting bigger, not smaller, regardless of which party is in office. Religion and social issues are often used to distinguish the two parties from each other, but once you peel away that facade, you see they're really no different at all as both are moving us in the same direction.

 

i think that after 60 more years of liberalism, the legalization of pot is going to be the least of our problems.

 

If the country does take a turn to the left it’s in response to the rightwing fascist police state we now find ourselves subject to



Hotwater

 

Im sorry but how the hell can you put being BLACK, being HOMOSEXUAL and being a PEDOPHILE in the same category??? Where do we draw the line?? is that a real question? Do you hear liberals calling for child molester rights?? This is asenine stuff.

 

Yea I was just going to say...wow! were really that liberal now? Seems like the last 7 years say different. and, Have you ever been to the south?

 

With every right the Govt gets, it will take a fight for them to give it up

 

I’ve been to nearly every state in the union with the exception of Alaska & Hawaii, and its my opinion that the country will eventually respond to the rightwing tilt it’s currently experiencing

The signs are all there including an explosion of new voter registry among democrats and left leaning moderates

Hotwater

 

The police state is simply the product of fascism. It's no more right than it is left. We're made to believe fascism is associated only with the right, but if you look at history and examine the exact opposite end of the spectrum, you see the outcome was exactly the same, and actually even worse.

Fascism, as Mussolini stated, would be more accurately defined as corporatism, since it represents the merger of the state with the corporations. Today, the two have become one and the same, and it's not limited to just one party or one side of the left-right spectrum. Both parties are in bed with the military-industrial complex, and BOTH are working towards the same agenda. It's just that one side pretends to be about tolerance and diversity, while the other uses religion as its front to dupe the public.

Don't think the police state is going to end with Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama taking office.

 

I can’t argue with you there, but to suggest barack obama will also fall prey to the corporate driven military industrial complex, leaves little hope for the american people to once again reclaim the constitution

I hope I never become as pessimistic as you



Hotwater

 

I think any genre of thinking and views is pointless and only makes the world worse. I think the western sociaty as a whole has already become fully liberal, the people that count anyway.

And weed wont be legal in 60 years, it will become legal when the great depression hits.

 

Hey, I know.

That's why people need to stop expecting change to come from within the system. I don't think Obama will fall prey to anything because he already has, and if he hadn't, the establishment and its lapdog media would not be pushing him like they are. They would be doing what they did to Ron Paul, where they either ignore him or try and discredit him.

Obama is a member of the CFR and his foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski. That right there is enough to show me the people Obama represents, and it's not the American people or even the black community for that matter.

 

What was that the pretentious musician/poet from the 60's said

"I'm gonna get my kicks before the whole shithouse burns down" or something

I hate to sound pessimistic, but i don't see the people really having much power or say in whats destined to happen here on Earth, at least not the common ones like me, the guy who lives in Ohio