Anonymous -vs- Scientology

Scientology does NOT deserve to be oppresed. Scientology deserves to be DESTROYED. It is a fucking evil organization of extortionists.
So you're saying its ok to be positive? What will that solve?

"THEY will always win simply because the nature of man."

Good. Give up. The War doesnt need people like you anyway.

E hate crime? Are you fucking retarded? Did you really just say that? lmao

Fine, report me to a mod for having a differing opinion than you, thats cool. It wont accomplish anything though.

The hippies slowed the Machine? Thats a laugh. The hippies did drugs and had sex with each other, then got beaten by the cops, then got normal jobs and did everything the Conspiracy wanted them to do.


If any of you actually looked into Scientology at all, you'd realize that they ruin peoples lives, extort money, and bully their own members. They are a threat to everything they touch, and I will not stand for it.

So enjoy your peace and love, and I will hoist the Black Flag and Begin Slitting throats, and we'll see who gets shit done faster.

 

Umm... we really are two different people, you know? I've been posting on these forums for years. Anyway, here's why:

Hubbard detailed his rules for attacking critics in a number of policy letters, including one often quoted by critics as "the Fair Game policy." This allowed that those who had been declared enemies of the Church, called "suppressive persons" or simply "SP," "May be deprived of property or injured by any means... May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed." (taken from HCOPL Oct. 18, 1967 Issue IV, Penalties for Lower Conditions )

Margery Wakefield’s Affidavit

*** AFFIDAVIT *** April 13, 1990

I, Margery Wakefield, attest that the following facts are true.

I became involved with the "Church" of Scientology in October of 1968. I was a freshman at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.

At this same time, while doing work for the Guardian's Office, I t in on a meeting in the Guardian's Office (now known as the O.S.A. - Office of Special Activities), and I heard two murders planned. One murder was of this man who had defected. He had been caught, and they said they had him in a motel room, and the next day they were going to take him out to sea and "deep six" him - tie weights to him and dump him overboard.

The second murder that I heard planned was of Paulette Cooper, who had written a book critical of Scientology, and they were planning to shoot her. To my knowledge this murder was not carried out, but at this meeting it was planned.





Scott Mayer's affidavit says Scientology instructed him to kill someone



22. While I was in the Sea Org, I was instructed to kill another human being by the Scientology organization. At the time Scientology had an office on Beacon Avenue in Los Angeles, very close to McArthur Park. I was called in for a briefing by Alex Sibryski. At that time, Scientology had a ranch at Rosarito in Mexico which was being used as a nursery, a place for overflow kids that could not be housed in Los Angeles and a place to grow fruits and vegetables. Mexican bandits were allegedly harassing and hustling the ranch and stealing produce from it. Jerry McDonald and I were asked to put together a mission to go down to Mexico, take some infrared optics and some guns and rifles, wait for the Mexican bandits to attack the ranch again and then take care of them. We were told to kill them if necessary. I received these orders from Alex Sibryski. At the time he was Commanding Officer Flag Operations Western U.S. ("F.O.L.O.W.U.S."). This was part of Scientology's elite Sea Organization. I was the Operations Officer at Flags Operations Liaison Office at the time and it was my job to write the mission orders for this thing and get us all briefed and ready to go. We figured that if we "took out" the bandit leaders the rest would disband. It took 24-48 hours to get this done and in the course of that time I never saw any written dispatches on this but the mission was then canceled by Alex Sibryski. He said that there was a governess in-charge of the ranch and that the bandits had tried to attack her at the place and she had shot the bandit leader with a shotgun through the door and taken care of the problem.

23. Jerry McDonald was widely rumored to have been a former mercenary and a paid assassin in Europe. He was known throughout the Sea Org for taking care of difficult problems. If someone was giving a problem in some area Jerry McDonald would just appear there. Because of his reputation as having been an assassin, if he came on the scene, people would fear for their lives. They believed that he was working totally for Scientology and that he would do anything for Hubbard. Additionally, he was also the kind of guy who would have people over to his house every now and then and would get out his automatic weapons, clean them and put them together in front of people. In this way, he would let people know that he was really conversant with his craft. He carried a 9 mm pistol on him all the time and he was always talking about arms sales and deals that he was doing. As things turned out, he and I were not required to carry out the instructions to kill that we had received. However, if the orders had not been canceled I have no doubt that he could have performed the task.

[size=-1] Lisa clause or Lisa McPherson clause: an adhesion clause to insulate one party from all damages, including personal injury or death, from known and unknown conduct of commission or omission of the party so released. An "adhesion clause" is a recognized legal term which means "take it or leave it", i.e., that the party signing the agreement has no bargaining power and therefore no alternative but to include the clause in the agreement.[/size]

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A new Scientology release form has surfaced that gives the cult the right to hold its members in isolation indefinitely, and absolves it of any responsibility for a member's injury or death as a result -- the "Lisa McPherson clause". (Thanks to Scientology PR spokesperson Linda Simmons Hight for confirming the document's authenticity to Fox News.)

• Scientology killed Lisa McPherson in Clearwater, Florida, on December 5, 1995. She was held against her will for 17 days, denied medical care, and forcibly sedated. When her guards tried to force her to undergo the Introspection Rundown and she refused, she was kept in an isolation lock-down until she died from severe dehydration. Forensic entomologists later identified 110 cockroach feeding sites on her body, and three nationally prominent forensic pathologists opined that the manner of death was "homicide". (The pathologists were Calvin Bandt, M.D. (affidavit), Werner Spitz, M.D. (affidavit), and John Coe, M.D.)
• In 1997, Lisa's estate filed a wrongful death suit against the Church of Scientology. That trial has been postponed six times by Scientology's legal maneuvering, but is now expected to take place in 2004.
• Before and after the wrongful death case was filed by Lisa's family, attorneys for Scientology insisted to state prosecutors -- and on national television -- that there was no religious service involved in Lisa's treatment; she was simply a guest at the Fort Harrison Hotel ("Flag") enjoying "rest and relaxation." Similar statements were made to the St. Petersburg Times. But after initially lying about it to police investigators, Flag Senior Case Supervisor Alain Kartuzinski later admitted that he had written a program for the Introspection Rundown for Lisa and placed it in its proper location in her confidential PC (preclear) folders (see below). It can't be found.
• From a 1998 interview with Michael Rinder (head of Scientology's intelligence and dirty tricks squad, the Office of Special Affairs) on the CBS television program Public Eye:
  JEANNETTE-MEYERS: Rest and relaxation sounds like a wonderful idea. But the records say that two days into her stay she was spitting out food and vomiting, four days into her stay she was ashen faced and feverish, and then she became violent, striking the attendants, hallucinating, thinking that she's L. Ron Hubbard, being too weak to stand, soiling herself, crying, babbling, breaking things. At that point, isn't it clear that it's not working? RINDER: What's not working?
  
  
  
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• The state of Florida brought criminal charges against the Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization in 1998 for its treatment of Lisa McPherson. The case was eventually dropped after a sudden and suspicious change of opinion by the medical examiner, Joan Wood, as to the cause of Lisa's death. (This occurred after Scientology spent months harassing Wood.) Prior to the dropping of charges, Scientology filed a Motion to Dismiss the criminal charges in which it asserted that "The Introspection Rundown itself is an entirely religious process." And, in an amicus brief filed by Michael Rinder and an unnamed collection of "executives of the Churches of Scientology throughout the world", the organization complained that:
  "... this prosecution attempts to place us in fear of the consequences of the very practice of our religion. In the face of these charges, can we be sure that providing any of our religious services to the members of our faith will not result in prosecution because some zealot in a government agency disagrees with our beliefs? Can any of us be sure that if one of our parishioners in the future needs an Introspection Rundown, it will not result in our Church being charged? The answer is, of course, no. And that is an intolerable result." ​
• In 2000, Professor Stephen Kent of the University of Alberta, an expert on the sociology of religion, and Scientology in particular, submitted an affidavit in the wrongful death suit in which he stated that:
  "Seen in historical context, the Introspection Rundown is the culmination of pseudo-psychiatric and pseudo-medical therapies that dates back to the founding of Dianetics and runs through Scientology up to the present day. Nothing about the Introspection Rundown is religious. Hubbard's stated secular intention was to eliminate psychiatry, and Lisa McPherson fell victim to an organization, Scientology's Flag Service Org, whose members were following Scientology policy."​
• In the summer of 2002, during an attempt to disqualify attorney Kennan G. Dandar as counsel for the estate, Scientology again argued that it had the legal right to hold Lisa McPherson against her will and deny her access to medical care and contact with her friends and family, because she was a parishioner, and Lisa's treatment was a "religious practice". Judge Susan Schaeffer was not convinced.
• Now this new document has surfaced: a release form for the Introspection Rundown. Parishioners seeking services at Flag -- the place Scientology advertises as the "Mecca of Technical Perfection" -- must sign a contract promising not to sue if they are harmed. And they are not given a copy to take home with them. A scanned copy of this new form is reproduced below; the HTML version is available here. Some choice quotes:
  If circumstances should ever arise in which government, medical or psychiatric officials or personnel or family members or friends attempt to compel or coerce or commit me for psychiatric evaluation, treatment or hospitalization, I fully desire and expect that the Church or Scientologists will intercede on my behalf to oppose such efforts and/or extricate me from that predicament... I understand that the Introspection Rundown ... includes being isolated from ... family members, friends or others with whom I might normally interact.... The Case Supervisor will determine the time period in which I will remain isolated, according to the beliefs and practices of the Scientology religion. I further specifically acknowledge that the duration of any such isolation is uncertain, determined only by my spiritual condition, but that such duration will be completely at the discretion of the Case Supervisor.
  
  
  
  I accept and assume all known and unknown risks of injury, loss, or damage resulting from my decision to participate in the Introspection Rundown and specifically absolve all persons and entities from all liabilities of any kind, without limitation, associated with my participation or their participation in my Introspection Rundown.
  
  
  
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  Tory Christman, who spent 30 years in Scientology before quitting in disgust, confirms that the first such waivers were instituted right after Lisa's death.
• Rather than assure its members that it would never repeat the horrors of what happened to Lisa McPherson, what Scientology is saying in this release form is: "We were not wrong to hold Lisa against her will and deprive her of medical attention and leave her to die. We were never wrong. And to assure you that we weren't, we're going to do the same thing again...exactly the same way... possibly to YOU! Here: sign this. And please note that after signing this, you cannot hold us accountable or sue us if we do decide to do this to you."
• Clearly, Scientology's private position is that their mistake wasn't in killing Lisa McPherson; it was in not having a signed release form saying it was okay to do so. This contrasts with the proposal Scientology leader David Miscavige tried to negotiate with the Florida State Attorney, Bernie McCabe, under which Scientology would take steps to ensure that its members receive appropriate medical treatment in the future if McCabe dropped the criminal charges in the McPherson case. McCabe's scathing rejection of this offer questioned why Scientology has not already taken these steps.
• To make it perfectly clear: Scientology is not against professional medical care, provided that the care is not of a psychiatric nature. In fact, its written policies mandate that a person seek medical care from licensed professionals. But with this form, Scientology is saying it has the right to kidnap and hold a mentally disturbed member at any time, because, in the words of one ex-member, "If THEY say you're crazy, then you are, and you have already agreed that they can kidnap you and hold you against your will if they deem you to be crazy." And although Scientology claims its treatment is purely spiritual, its staff have no qualms about dressing up in nurses uniforms (pic1, pic2, pic3) to lure the public into taking a "stress test" on the E-meter or purchasing copies of Dianetics. (Photos taken at the Florida Home Show at the Tampa Convention Center, Labor Day Weekend, 2003.)
• The main use for this release form may be for bullying doctors into relinquishing custody of patients who have been taken in for psychiatric evaluation, and are perhaps facing involuntary committment, just as Scientology bullied the staff at Morton Plant Hospital where Lisa was taken and coerced them into releasing her into their custody, despite the report from paramedics of her bizarre behavior and request for assistance.
• This release form may not be legally enforceable, because if it were, any mentally ill person could sign a similar contract and evade involuntary commitment under the Baker Act. The State of Florida has an interest in preventing such contracts from being considered.
• Even more chilling is the section at the bottom of the form where an adult or guardian can sign on behalf of a child. Members of various Christian sects who prevented their children from receiving medical care on "religious" grounds have been prosecuted for child abuse. A Scientologist who denied their child access to necessary mental health treatment should run a similar risk of prosecution.
• Among the evidence obtained during discovery in the McPherson case is a collection of Lisa's PC (preclear) folders, which detailed her treatment at the hands of Scientology. The church vehemently objected to producing these documents, but eventually was forced to disclose them, although many crucial folders are still missing. Scientology claims it can't find them.
• In order to frustrate similar discovery actions in the future, Scientology has issued another new release form, ostensibly concerned with preserving the confidentiality of parishioner files. Scientology's position is that not only does it have a religious right to abuse its members, but it also has the right to withhold the written evidence of that abuse, even if the member has been killed as a direct result of Scientology's actions. Thus, Scientology tries to perfect its ability to both commit and cover up future crimes.
• Lisa McPherson was not the first Scientologist to suffer false imprisonment and isolation as a result of a mental breakdown. Other cases include Gitte Mogensen (1996), Heidi Degro (1993), Cat Morrow (1980s), Marianne Coenan (1989), David Voorhies (1983), and a German national held at Scientology's U.K. headquarters in East Grinstead (1993). Investigation of future instances of abuse may be frustrated by the victims having signed these release forms.
• Scientology continues to make claims that it can cure mental illness. This 2001 promotional piece says: "A Flag Ship Class XII [auditor] could turn a severe mental case from raving lunacy to not only sane but bright and normal in about 8 or 9 hours..."

 

I hope that the above post has been enlightening. I think that Reverand Loki's posts have been counter-productive, in fact, increasing sympathy for Scientology. I hope that these facts have cleared things up a little. I encourage anyone who reads the above to distribute the information further. Religious intolerance is a nasty word in our society, in which political correctness and religious freedom are sometimes taken too far. I hope I have shown that Scientology is dangerous and that religious intolerance is sometimes justified. Furthermore, it seems obvious to me that "turning the other cheek" just won't work when dealing with Scientologists. I think we should fight fire with fire. Intimidation, destruction of property, and even physical violence are entirely reasonable and justifiable options available to us when dealing with Scientologists. I am, on the record, voicing my support for Anonymous and other such organizations devoted to the destruction of Scientology by any means necessary.

 

The atrocities of christianity don't begin to compare with scientology. go after the catholic church. What i mean when i say they will always win is, because man is so easily corrupted and distracted, we will defeat ourselvesand those who can afford to corrupt and destroy any possible movement that could be started. As for hippies slowing the machine more efficiently with passifism just compare them with the punk rock movement.look what both got done. reflect. Whatever though. have fun spending your life in jail fighting a war against something you are ignorant to (i don't even know what it is anymore. it started as scientology and evolved into the "machine"). i'm assuming that's a very familiar feeling to you. Common sense is right, I don't agree or disagree with his cause. I think all religions exploit the weak and poor, so none should be singled out for an E hate crime. I do agree that the best thing you could do for your cause and your entire image is be quiet and let the grown ups talk. you sound like a bigotted idiot. It's better to be presumed a silent fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

This isnt me trying to sound intelligent. This isnt me trying to convince you of anything. This is just me laughing at you.

 

The difference is that the Catholic Church isn't comitting (many) atrocities today. Every once in a while some small group of Christians kills someone in an excorism attempt. But these people are usually just lone nuts. The orders to kill MacPherson, for example, came from very high up in the church hierarchy. If the Catholic Church today was still carrying out the Inquisition, then sure, they would be a natural target. But the Catholic Church today is relatively benign.

 

that's better off. it's not the part you were born to play.

 

Aside from the fact the cardinals elected a former Nazi to lead their racket.

 

This really isn't about playing "Which religion is the worst." The point is that the orders to carry out several murders have come directly from Scientology's higher-ups. I don't see why you'd be trying to change the subject, unless you were sympthetic with Scientology.

 

Don't turn this into some McCarthy hearing. I'm not a communist or a scientologist. I'm just saying that people have always killed in the name of their God. You made your point Scientologists can do it too. do you want a cookie?

 

I don't know why anyone would consider $cientology a religion.

In its May 6, 1991 cover story, "The Cult of Greed," Time magazine described the Scientology organization: "The Church of Scientology started by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard to 'clear' people of unhappiness, portrays itself as a religion. In reality, the church is a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and cities in Mafia-like manner...Scientology is quite likely the most ruthless, the most classically terroristic, the most litigious, and the most lucrative cult the country has ever seen" (pp. 32-3).

 

It has come to the attention of Anonymous that there are a number of you out there who do not clearly understand what we are or why we have undertaken our present course of action. Contrary to the assumptions of the media, Anonymous is not simply "a group of super hackers". Anonymous is a collective of individuals united by an awareness that someone must do the right thing, that someone must bring light to the darkness, that someone must open the eyes of a public that has slumbered for far too long. Among our numbers you will find individuals from all walks of life - lawyers, parents, IT professionals, members of law enforcement, college students, veterinary technicians and more. Anonymous is everyone and everywhere. We have no leaders, no single entity directing us - only the collective outrage of individuals, guiding our hand in the current efforts to bring awareness.We want you to be aware of the very real dangers of Scientology. We want you to know about the gross human rights violations committed by this cult. We want you to know about Lisa McPhearson. We want you to know about former members of Scientology's private navy, SeaOrg, who were forced to have abortions so that they could continue in service to the church. We want you to know about Scientology's use of child labor and their gulags. We want you to know about Operation Freakout and Paulette Cooper. We want you to know about Operation Snow White and Scientology's efforts to infiltrate the government of the United States of America.We want you to know about all of these things that have been swept under the rug for far too long. The information is out there. It is yours for the taking. Arm yourself with knowledge. Be very wary of the 10th of February. Anonymous invites you to join us in an act of solidarity. Anonymous invites you to take up the banner of free speech, of human rights, of family and freedom. Join us in protest outside of Scientology centers world wide. We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. We will be heard. Expect us

 

child dianetics.

An exerpt from one of the secret documents that Anonymous delivered and it shows how batshit insane Scientology mums are.

"If you want to control your child, simply break him into complete apathy and he'll be as obedient as any hypnotized half-wit. If you want to know how to control him, get a book on dog training, name the child Rex and teach him first to "fetch" and then to "sit up" and then to bark for his food. You can train a child that way. Sure you can. But it's your hard luck if he turns out to be a blood-letter. Only don't be half-hearted about it. Simply TRAIN him. "Speak, Roger!" "Lie down!" "Roll over!" Of course, you'll have a hard time of it. This - a slight oversight - is a human being. You'd better charge right in and do what you can to break him into apathy quickly. A club is best. Tying him in a closet without food for a few days is fairly successful. The best recommended tactic, however, is simply to use a straight jacket and muffs on him until he is docile and imbecilic. I'm warning you that it's going to be tough; it will be tough because Man became king of the beasts only because he couldn't as a species be licked. He doesn't easily go into an obedient apathy like dogs do. Men own dogs because men are self-determined and dogs aren't."

 

"You don't make money writing science fiction. If I wanted to make money, I'd start a religion."

l ron hubbard

 

Anonymous is not the social reject that lives in his mother's basement. Anonymous is not the loser we all come to expect our fellow anonymities to be. One thing is for certain: Anonymous needs these perceptions to thrive. If we were perceived as an elite group of individuals then all sorts of failures would swarm our shrines and places of commune striving to be like us. Anonymous needs the perception of individuals not accepted by society so people do not strive to be like us. We need to maintain this front so people do not readily see us as the life force of the internet and the gods that we are of this domain. Anonymous lives

 

I hardly think someone who goes around saying "I Leik Mudkips" and "lulz" is a threat.

 

Oh, you wouldnt would you?
We had organized protests ALL OVER THE WORLD. And they're gonna keep happening.

We'll see the kind of threat Anon is once The CoS lies in ruin.

 

So what f CoS goes down? Meh, big deal... no surprise.

 

I'm actually rather disturbed by both of these organizations. The idea that all compassion has completely gone out the window is very unsettling. Somehow I think if (when) they're targeted by their own, "i did it for lulz" won't be so funny anymore...

 

and isolated actors, once you payem and your tuned in, its all over for you! the great pyramid scheem, there will all ways be these follow types whom roam the earth blind allways having to hold their hands accross every street. only the strong survive! let them dwindle in hubbards books and audit each other. there are enough warning signs up about this group! in time they will dimminish itself out. take care!