Merging with mexico and canada?

I am sick of having to defend my views against these spooks and trolls who come out of the woodwork anytime something pertaining to their beloved global elite is mentioned. Frankly, I could not care less what you think or even if you believe the world is flat. You can continue to deny what has openly been admitted and referred to as a union by people such as Robert Pastor, who is the frontman for all of this. The documents, which you have not read, make this extremely clear, despite what these people might say to the media and on their SPP website, which is always the opposite of what they do. And off course these elites are going to deny what they're doing. It was Lord Rothschild who once said "we deny with our lips, that which we do with our hands." This is these people's modus operandi. Do you think they're going to come out and say what they're doing? No, instead they are spending millions of dollars to create propaganda which the public is expected to believe. But then again, most people don't even know about this because the media (which is controlled by the CFR) won't talk about it, with the exception of a handful of reports that have covered it with the most minimal detail. You would think that if this was as benevolent as you say it is and for the greater good of the people of the three nations, we would be hearing all about it in the media. Instead, all we see is secrecy and private meetings that are off limits to the press. Do the American, Canadian or Mexican people have any say in this matter? Of course not. They never do because elites are running the show and they always make the rules.

So what we are dealing with is an elite group that is seeking to create a "North American Community" with "common borders" by 2010. What does this mean? It means exactly what it implies, and it also sheds light on why so little is being done about the existing borders which have already been pretty much eviscerated (at least the southern border of the US). What we are dealing with also entails the free flow of GOODS and LABOR. Trucks and people will be allowed deep into the US, bypassing all customs until KANSAS CITY. This means anyone can enter the country from Mexico, including drug dealers and gang members, without having to go through customs until they reach Kansas City.

The company behind the building of the Trans-Texas Corridor, Cintra-Zachry, is a Spanish corporation owned by King Juan Carlos of Spain. This company has set up toll roads in Texas on already existing roads in order to fund this massive project that the people had absolutely no say in. This private company will be collecting tolls for the next 30 years to fund and maintain what will extend far beyond Texas and become the North American Supercorridor, which was openly admitted in a speech given by the Manitoba legislature, and will extend to the shores of the Hudson Bay. So what we are looking at is a superhighway, that when finished will be multi-modal and four football fields in length. This superhighway will extend over three countries, bypassing all customs for the "free flow of goods AND labor" (i.e. people).

Along with this we have Robert Pastor talking in his book about the creation of a standardized currency called the Amero. This would be shared between the three countries, and would replace the dollar and the peso as the new currency of the Americas. This is to coincide with the "harmonization" of regulations to do with health care and energy, and eventually law and government.

What would you call this other than a UNION? This is EXACTLY what the European Union is, and it is being done by stealth, without the informed consent of the American, Canadian and Mexican people.

 

to whoever said that we're in enough trouble as it is, you're right. we are. not our president, or the people who back him. are they hurting because of what is going on in the country right now? will they be any worse off if we merge? no, we will.

 

Ad hominem attack.

You're views do not match the facts. I suggest you retact your statement.

You do know the difference between conjecture and fact correct? lol Here is an Idea, if you are tired of it then stop speaking such nonsense.

You're such an objective guy. Good to know you care nothing about the facts.

Yet once again you've manged to get yet another point completely wrong.

Robert Pastor as the man at the very center of the plans for a North American Union. Pastor is a far-leftist, slightly unhinged professor at American University who was an enthusiastic supporter (and informal advisor) to John Kerry’s Presidential juggernaut and who bears no connection whatever to the Bush administration, or the dreaded Security and Prosperity Partnership. If an addled academic with zero power in the government and no clout whatever with the current administration is the man at the very center of the plans for a North American Union do those plans really sound so menacing and dire and imminent?
NO.

moreover, Even Professor Pastor (in an interview with NAU demagogue-in-chief Jerome Corsi) specifically denies any desire for a North American Union. Infact, Pastor had this to say about the idea of a North American Union:

“Each of the proposals I have laid out represent (sic) more than just small steps. But it doesn’t represent a leap to a North American Union or even to some confederation of any kind. I don’t think either is plausible, necessary or even helpful to contemplate at this stage."


Newsflash: Pastor himself denies talking to the Bush Administration about any sort of North American Union. Furthermore, he says that to the best of his knowledge they're not working on any such thing. He also noted that the Amero was one of three ideas he floated in one of his books, that he wasn't married to it, and again, to the best of his knowledge, nobody in the Bush Administration is working on it.

So even if Pastor had said exactly the opposite and called for a North American Union to be formed tomorrow, so what? He doesn't work for Bush. It's like having a Communist professor screaming that Lenin was right and we should become a Communist nation tomorrow and then having people like Jerome Corsi go, See? George Bush is converting America to Communism! It makes no sense.

You keep getting every single thing wrong.
Retract your statement.

ad hominem attack

I've read the documents which are from their website which has nothing to do with a north america union anywhere.

I'll repost, extended PDF.
http://www.spp.gov/pdf/nap_flu07.pdf

Nothing is being kept secret if interviews are being giving on Lou Dobbs/Sean Hannity and the information is freely available on the internet. Jesus christ, You're not only a hypocrite, you are intellectually dishonest.

You've failed once again. Managing to get a factual point I already explained to you yet once again completely wrong. You're views do not fair well against the facts.


As said before even if there were, doesn't matter. Think tanks champion all sorts of ideas, good and bad; it doesn't necessarily follow that they're implemented by the government. For instance: The NAU exists only as a proposal contained in one of a thousand academic and/or wonky papers published each year that advocate all manner of idealistic but ultimately unrealistic approaches to social, economic and political problems. Most of these get passed around in their own circles and eventually filed away and forgotten by junior staffers in congressional offices. Some of these papers, however, become touchstones for the conspiracy-minded and form the basis of all kinds of unfounded fears. Such is the case with the monograph, "Building a North American Community," which was produced by a group of eggheads at the Council on Foreign Relations and their counterparts in Mexico and Canada. It calls for a North American economic union to stretch from Canada's northern border to Mexico's southernmost point. It would basically be a customs union, similar to the old European Community before it became the European Union, with expedited travel between countries, a single market with standardized external tariffs, etc. However, Barring a remarkable change in all three countries' political cultures (but most importantly that of the United States), the kind of formal North American political union described by the theory's proponents has zero chances of getting off the ground any time in the foreseeable future.


The NAU monograph (i.e. NAC) explicitly rejects an EU-style political union and the kind of supernational institutions that have grown up like mushrooms in Brussels. One of the principles that guided the committee that drafted the proposal was that the NAU would not resemble the EU:


"North America is different from other regions of the world and must find its own cooperative route forward. A new North American community should rely more on the market and less on bureaucracy, more on pragmatic solutions to shared problems than on grand schemes of confederation or union, such as those in Europe. We must maintain respect for each other's national sovereignty."

What you're actually refering to is the KC Smartport, which is, at least in my humble opinion, a brilliant idea. The idea is to set up an area in Kansas City, with Mexican and American customs officials there who can examine outgoing vehicles away from the long lines generated at the borders. You heard that right by the way; this facility will only handle outbound freight headed to Mexico, not Mexican vehicles headed into the United States.

So, is the area the KC Smartport sits on going to be leased or owned by Mexico? No. So, where did the idea come from? According to Tasha Hammes, the Media Relations & Marketing Manager for the KC Smartport project, she said it was an idea that was kicked around via email in something akin to an online brainstorming session at one point. However, as she confirmed to in a follow-up email, the idea was not something that the KC SmartPort project chose to pursue:

"Kansas City, Mo., is leasing the facility to KC SmartPort. It will NOT be leased to any Mexican government agency or be sovereign territory of Mexico."

http://www.kcsmartport.com/

No. The location of TTC-35 is not yet known. Like all transportation projects, TTC-35 must go through a federally-required environmental study to identify a route. Property cannot be purchased and construction cannot begin unless TTC-35 has been environmentally approved by the Federal Highway Administration.

What you're talking about is the TX130 road, which was planned before the Trans-Texas corridor. It simply will let people going to San Antonio, Corpus, and Mexico bypass Austin to the east and then get on I-10 at Seguin to come into San Antonio. The Trans-Texas Corridor will probably simply use this road, but nothing has been decided yet and it is an independent project.

It might also shock you to learn that we have had pavement running to the border for a very long time. Ever since pavement was invented, in fact. This is just a new piece of pavement, bigger than most, but designed to meet future needs. Its construction will not require you to speak spanish or Canadian, eh?, and doesn't merge Canada and Mexico into our country.

Here is where the deal stands as of now:

"The final approval of the contract is subject to environmental approval which may come within 6-8 months, Cintra said. Financing for the project is yet to be finalized."

If this deal is ever finalized (highly doubt it), it would be between Nasco, Cintra-Zachry, and have to be environmentally approved by the Federal Highway Administration. It Has nothing to do with Bush or NAU.

part 1. retract your statement.

That video was proof of nothing. Nice job. Bush smacked you down himself about NAU. lol! I love how intellectually dishonest that video was, taking bush and harper's words out of context. Still no evidence of a NAU. What bush, harper, Felipe Calderon, were doing was talking about this: http://www.spp.gov/
And once again, not a secert if it's on Youtube.

http://www.nascocorridor.com/admin/images/docs/NASCO CONGRESSIONAL - Myth vs Fact December%2 02007.pdf

^ And This is from Nasco themselves incase you missed it.

Again No. TTC-35 is a state-owned project and any land purchased or transportation improvements built will be done in the name of the state. All property acquired will be the property of the State of Texas. "Should" Cintra Zachry or another private group develop any portion of TTC-35, their role will be to finance, design, build, maintain, operate and collect a portion of tolls for a period of time.

If you don't like TTC that's a whole different subject all together, but TTC is not proof of NAU.

Once again you got every single point wrong about NAU. NAU is not reality nor is it being considered. Which is what Bush and harper were saying.

part 2. retract your statement.

Wrong.

The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America is a group that was launched in 2005 and it works under the aegis of the Commerce Department. The SPP was created to help increase cooperation between the U.S. and its neighbors to the North and South. Again See: http://www.spp.gov/

As I mentioned somewhat in my frist two posts. David Bohigian over at the Commerce Department was interviewed about the SPP. He confirmed that the SPP is not using the, "Building A North American Community," report from the CFR task force as any sort of a "blueprint" and he added the following:

"This is not a treaty and not an agreement. It's like a discussion you'd have with your neighbors. Nobody is looking to merge our currency, or our borders, or do any sort of union like the EU. The United States is working cooperatively with its neighbors to enhance security and prosperity of our countries."

As you can see from reading, there is no "North American Union" in the works. If you don't believe me when I tell you that, then maybe (doubt it) you'll believe Tony Snow who had this to say when he was, asked if the president would categorically deny any interest in building a European Union-style superstate in North America:

"Of course, no. We're not interested. There is not going to be an EU in the U.S."

retract your statement.

Wrong.

George Bush has never advocated merging our currency with that of another country and neither has anyone in his cabinet. Furthermore, no one has presented any proof whatsoever that anyone in the United States government is working on this idea. At least one of the North American Union conspiracy theorists has speculated that the Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America may be working on such a proposal. However, In that interview with David Bohigian over at the Commerce Department, he issued a flat denial that the SPP was working on merging America currency with that of our neighbors.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/results/leadership/bio_859.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/amero.asp

So, if you want to insist that we're creating some sort of unified currency based on the fact that a professor thinks it's a good idea, but as of yet, there has not been one, single, solitary shred of evidence presented that the Bush administration supports, advocates, or is working on this idea. Then go ahead.

But, The claim is irrelevant on it's face anyway because, Robert Pastor, academic specializing in elections at American University and one of the authors of the NAU proposal, that suggested the adoption of a common currency, like the Euro. Unfortunately, His suggestion, however, was never included in the NAU recommendations.

retract your statement, You've gotten it all wrong yet once again.

Thanks for playing. But No, it's nothing like the european union you've obviously never read it. You're comparing Appeals to Organes once again. A merger like NAU can't be done in stealth either as I already pointed out to you. Now retract your statement because you are factually wrong. And You seem to be the only one misinformed here either that or your just really ignorant of the facts. You've gotten every single point wrong again. Congratulations.

 

I hardly read any of that, nor am I going to waste my time arguing with you over RHETORIC put out by these people. If anyone wants to know the truth all they need to do is read the documents and do their own research. And why do you keep mentioning Bush. Bush is a puppet. Bush makes none of his own decisions. This is being carried out ABOVE Bush. I could not care less about Bush.

There is a book called The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada, a New York Times Bestseller by Jerome Corsi that people can check out. The book pretty much lays out all the groundwork for this NAU and includes documents that are irrefutable. It's only about 200 pages and I was able to read the entire thing in an evening. Most people should be able to find it at their local library.

 

sHOW US SOME OF THESE IRREFUTABLE DOCUMENTS THEN.

Again why the back peddle RAT ??
A couple of months ago you "per Corsi" claimed work had already started, people had been forced from there land, blah ,blah blah,

Now its back on the drawing board?

 

http://www.stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11

 

I' m not going to waste my time reading any of that until you answer my simple question, why the back peddle?

Did you or did you not state work has already begun.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Texas_Corridor

The Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) is a transportation network in the planning and early construction stages in the U.S. state of Texas. The network, as planned, would be composed of a 4,000-mile (6,000 km) network of supercorridors up to 1,200 feet (370 m) wide to carry parallel links of tollways, rails, and utility lines.[1] The tollway portion would be divided into two separate elements: truck lanes and lanes for passenger vehicles. Similarly, the rail lines in the corridor would be divided among freight, commuter, and high-speed rail. Services expected to be carried in the utility corridor include water, electricity, natural gas, petroleum, fiber optic lines, and other telecommunications services. The Trans-Texas Corridor will allow passenger vehicular speed limits of up to 85 mph (140 km/h).[2] The network will be funded by private investors and built and expanded as demand warrants

 

ummmmmm.......if the people in power aren't working towards a one world gov (i'll leave the obvious pyramid and owl picture out of this for now i suppose) why is novus ordo seclorum in our dollar bill? that's a pretty simple question, right? may i please have an answer?

 

Hasn't that been on your dollar bill since the 1930's?

 

yup........are you saying nothing in the world has changed since then? i'm not sure what your point is.....and i would like an intelligent response as to why it is there.....

 

I just don't see how something put on your dollar bill back in the 1930's, has anything to do with creating a one world government with Canada and Mexico today.
Maybe I misunderstood your question.?.

 

hmmm.......cause it's in our dollar bill, along with the illuminati eye and the owl at bohemian grove.....

why does it matter when it was put there? it's the same group of people in power today....
anyways, can you tell me why it was put there and why it doesn't carry significance when the people who control our money system are still allowing it to be in circulation? i'm pretty sure if they printed it, they know what it means...

 

i've asked 3 times now and still no answer. just questions about the question, which i thought was pretty simple and direct. why is it there?

 

Here, you left this part out.

 

the problem with him is that he thinks he is smarter than everyone else and gets all pouty and mad when he is proven wrong

 

i've checked all of these sources and haven't seen any proof of him being wrong. there doesn't seem to be enough proof for either opinion to be accepted in a court of law, but enough for an intelligent person to see a pattern when compared to the changes our country has undergone in the last 200 yrs.

 

and i'm still waiting.....

 

That's one short highway.

Anyway you got pwned by phen0m. Everybody can see it, plain as day.

 

he meant across. that's huge.