Start giving out LSD again to recreate the 60s

I took a million hits of LSD once and now I can burst people into a mess of splattered flesh and blood with my mind. It's a tool alright!

 

and i call you ignorant.

 

^LSD is maleable. I can use it for spiritual reasons or recreational reasons. I do LSD because i love it so. But I agree Salmon4me, that your statement was a tad misplaced. Even if you do it just to get fucked up, how can you deny that started a revolution. It definately completely alters your way of thining.

It's agreed by psychonauts and scholars alike that LSD and other psychedelics during the 1960's completely revolutionized American social conceptions and in other facets of philosophical thought.

Even if you dont think you've learned alot from acid, i guarantee that you have...you probably just deny it and chalk it up to your everyday slow rise of hightening awareness. But ill tell you what man, wehn i take a step back and look at how i thought before LSD, and judge myself now compared to then...all the while taking into account these two entities while measuring them up to my friends who have never taken it...They havent changed much at all. I am a COMPLETELY different person. I've developed in leaps and bounds because of acid, and if you have eatin hundreds of hits, you probably have too: whether you want to believe it or not. LEary made an entire scarement and religion out of the drug. It's definately more than your average intoxicant. It wires every part of brain together into one consolidated unit for thought. Past, preasent and future; so you can approach concepts while taking into account everything you have ever thought, felt and learned while removing bias and preconceived notions. Before LSD i was Christian...now im a Psychmykeonologist, it's my own blend of relgiousc theory that came almost overnight over the period of three insane acid trips spread across the month of June. Something like that doesnt just happen from drinking booze or smoking pot.

 

i wouldn't say it consolidates your entire brain......there are things that are inhibited during a trip, for sure...


despite your experience, lsd doesn't automatically permanently heighten one's awareness. as i said before, i have personally seen the opposite.

 

Well, scientifically tha's what LSD does...it connects a to b, than b to c, then c to x, x to r, r to h, h to k, etc etc. so on and so forth. It connects parts of your brain that dont normally connect. It breaks you're normal train of thought, which is why tripping is often dubbed 'psych exploration' because it connects thoughts that dont otherwise connect, allowing you to see things in life that normally fly under the radar or consciousness. One thought leads to another thought which leads to another thought which leads to a different thought not even closely related to the previous thought, but your thinking about it because some memory from your past evoked the thought on command from the thought before it. That is how Hoffman described it in a interview. To repeat, it connects parts of your brain that arnt normally connected, the conscious and the subconscious...if you're fimiliar with existentialism it turns everything into present-at-hand.

Back in the day when it was legal and human test subjects were used, people on LSD had showed hightened chemical reactions and activity in large parts of the brain that normally dont show action all at the same time, or that only show actions when specific tasks are being performed. Hence why instead of the parts of you brain working subjectively towards their own assigned task, your whole brain functions as a consolidated unit.

I'm pretty sure i speak for a majority of the people here when i say that after years of excessive LSD use, you find a hightened sense of awareness for little (and big) things all around you. Please elaborate on how it does the opposite. If it did the opposite (like alcohol) and other intoxicants than this thread wouldn't exist, and neither would any of the other socio-spiritual LSD related threads.

 

And i didnt mean that after one trip it automatically gives you ultimate awareness and enlightenment. But while im on it i do notice subtle things around me that i take for granted. I was mainly speaking of long term use and benefits. Automatically no, but after 50 or so trips, they defintely integrate profoundly into ones life. Taking into account all the various things ive learned as result of my use, i just I find it hard to believe that after all that acid, someone could treat it as just anohter drug and not get one single thing out of the experiences. Unless they were dumbed down on Xanax bars while all the trips were taking place. Maybe that's just me though i dunno...but from all the talk about social revolution in this thread i get the feeling that most people here have reaped some sort of benefit, or at least change from LSD.

 

i will gladly elaborate.

first of all, yes, it opens up/connects formerly dormant or automatic processes and "sets them on manual". there is no proof (experiential or evidental) that it consolidates your entire brain. that is a pretty big statement.

many of these processes are on auto because we don't currently have the will to direct them in a healthy manner. i do feel that it is possible to learn to direct them more and more while sober through lsd use. this is the programming i was talking about. the thing is, if negative or unhealthy patterns are repeated rather than positive or healthy ones, you hardwire your brain in that direction. if you think obsessively on lsd, insanity is not out of the question. it is possible to get hooked on thoughts that aren't even true and carry them over into your sober world. it is also possible to direct to much current through your brain and burn out your receptors. this is common knowledge in eastern practices. lsd doesn't automatically show you the way. it gives you the ability to step off of the road you're on and look around.

i had many friends that would only play video games and watch trippy movies while on lsd. guess what they spend most of their time doing now? they aren't any more intelligent, kind, responsible, powerful, etc than they were before. if anything, they are much less of all of those things. my ex decided to take lsd following a coffee binge and literally went insane for months. she is just recently beginning to find her way back, thank god. the sad thing was, she had to do it all on her own. she perceived everyone that tried to help her as a threat and i won't go into the paranoid theories she had about these threats.

my best friend took too much acid, in his own words. he was overdropped at a concert and tripped so hard that in the midst of a live concert, he perceived that he was sitting in some trailer with a fan blowing next to his head. he knew he was in the concert and was racked with fear that he was going to be caught because he couldn't recognise anything that could begin to look like where he really was. after he came down, he told me the world never fully went back to normal and not in a good way. he told me his vision is much darker now and it is much harder for him to get his thoughts in order when he wants to communicate something. he doesn't feel any closer to a higher power-if anything he desperately wants to remember what that felt like.

i have tripped many times and usually did it timothy leary-style, lying on my back and meditating. i have had enormous positve changes in my thinking and way of perceiving. tripping made me aware of what is possible if we turn off our internal dialogue. i don't need it anymore.

 

There is proof htugh...im not speaking metaphorically. I dont know if you read the statement...but ill copy it agian.

Back in the day when it was legal and human test subjects were used, people on LSD had showed hightened chemical reactions and activity in large parts of the brain that normally dont show action all at the same time, or that only show actions when specific tasks are being performed. Hence why instead of the parts of you brain working subjectively towards their own assigned task, your whole brain functions as a consolidated unit.

thats whta i mean when i say it consolidates your brain. Certain parts of your brain have different functions for different things. LSD causes alot of these parts to work all at once...hence...a consolidated brain...lol

i agree that gaining benefit from acid depends on the type of person, i didnt just say it was exclusive to benefit. I said they gained SOMETHING, or learned SOMEHTING. I happen to read alot, study alot, and think alot about abstract ideas and concepts. So i gain from it. Other people dont so they dont gain in the same way i do. But that doesnt mean the dont learn anything...something subtle like greater appreciation for nature.

Eerythingi just said about human test subjects is right out of "Acid Dreams: a social history of LSD" and the whole book is written with government documents as the primary sources. If you dont believe me, skim the book. I bet you'de like it anyway.

Either way, you admited that it had a positive impact on you. Im just saying even if you're didnt gain the same type of 'awareness' they learned something. Whether it be something about themselves or soemthing about their surroundings.

 

i understood what you said the first time. the fact is, just because it helps you to use more of your brain doesn't mean you are using all of it. i believe we are capable of far higher states of awareness than lsd could ever show us. this is actually one of the only beliefs i have.

 

i learned many things. i posted that so that people would understand the true qualities of lsd. my friends playing the video games may fit into what you just said, but my ex and best friend got nothing good out of it. let's say they did, for the sake of argument. the amount of negative side effects far far far outways the positive in their sake. this is not something to just be handing out, or dropping on people's tongues in public places. it is to be treated as a sacrament. i've done my own reading and, no offense, probably far more extensively than you could begin to imagine, before ever trying lsd. thank you for the reference, however.

 

I agree, you definitely get to a point where you dont need it anymore. I think you're misinterpreting what im saying.

Im pointing out scientific facts is all. You use more parts of your brain on LSD than sober...its science not a point of view.

i agree with everything you're saying for the most part. But i never once said that LSD turns you into some intellectual superhuman. That depends on the person. All i said is it gives you a hightened sense of awareness. I dont know how you can despute that. Even if you take a high enough dose to the point where your so fucked up that nothing processes correctly, when you come down, your still profoundly changed.

Andin response to yuor friend growing paranoid...i never said LSD was all positive, obviously your friend had some sort of latent mental disorder, whether it be major or minor, that LSD brought out. Thats the nature of the drug though. Ive seen many bad trips and have talked with people who are forever changed negatively. Either way LSD changes you. I wa simply stating that i dont know how people think that it is just anohter drug...clearly if your friend deteriorated like that it's far more than just anohter drug. And the consolidated brain thing is a just ascientific fact. You dont need LSD forever, ever Leary stopped later in his life. You get to a point where you learn all you can from the drug andthe rest is just fanatical hogwash...either way you're forever changed.

reread some of my above posts, i editted them to comment on some of yours after your other posts were already posted.

 

dude definitely, its not for everyone...all i wanted to get across is that it a profound experience far beyond the average intoxicant.

 

we don't disagree, for the most part. i just feel like all sides of the subject should be evaluated.

 

Well said