this year Im growing cereals in my garden

Ive ordered hulless oats quinoa and amaranths ,and I intend seeing how well they do ,this is the time to start on your garden in the uk you could be planting first early new potatoes now .

are you interested in gardening have you considered getting a allotment

 

I'm doing a vegetable patch this year, I'm going to grow taters, runner beans, tomatoes, carrots, courgettes and anything else interesting that I can find. We have a patch in our garden which has a gooseberry bush in, so I'll use that bit.

 

I threw a load of Kelloggs packets out of my car one day.None of em grew into cereal.
Moral of the story is , unless you go round wearing green wellies and live in a hot climate , buy it from the shop instead

 

Are you that ex snooker player Steve "Interesting" Davies?

 

well rah I like to eat and I have in the past grown most of my own food thats summer and winter , Id prefer gardening to going shopping Ive never grown cereals before but Im going to give it a go .
also I think in the next few years at the very least food prices are going to skyrocket and we are going to have a economic crash , it could be much worse than that .
and I have the ability to feed myself .

look into peak oil at http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

resso I dont think cornflake would be likely to grow as their already cooked , hulless oats on the other hand will make porridge or oat cakes , quinoa is a bit like rice but with a more nut like taste never eaten amaranths but just giving them a shot .
Im also growing a hell of a lot of other plants

 

You do realise that to be self sufficient you need about 4 acres of land
maybe more - and to make a loaf of bread every day wouldnt you have to grow so much cereal there wouldnt be any room for other crops so either you got a farm or youre being optimistic - I dunno maybe i'm wrong - I am not usually wrong though but will concede to any opposition here

 

no you dont need 4 acres and its been proven by a man called john jeavons he has volunteers live on a 4,000 square feet plot I think thats about 9 people per acre .
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/04/13/HO126062.DTL


actually that may say 4,000 square feet but you can actually do it on 3,200 square foot

 

yeah but were they gagging for a burger and chips at the end of it ?

 

Seems like you're on a deliberate wind-up here Rah, which is uncool.

johnny it sounds good what you're doing. I don't have a garden, but I'm thinking about getting an allotment, there's some just up the road from me. Don't know much about gardening, but it would be a good place to have barbecues if nothing else!

 

razy Id go for it, I can give you advice on gardening and if Im right its going to be very important to know how to grow food in the near future .

There is something to do with peak oil called die off where its estimated 5 billion people are likely to well "die off" ,with the end of oil and resource depletion .
thats about 5 out of every 6 people alive it could well be more .

we live on a small over populated island where all our food depends on a very fragile industial farming system , we had differculty feeding ourselves in world war two and that was when a far larger number of people were involved in agriculture .

Id say that today most people have no idea on how to feed themselves or preserve food their like babys compared to people even a generation or so ago .

they cant make their own clothes or do anything much practical and this stuff takes a while to learn .
anyway with the end of oil I think people will have to do things like make and repair clothes or grow their own food or they will starve .

I think things will be so bad in the uk Im considering moving to somewhere where you still have a lot of practical people that at least can feed themsleves without depending on the state or the shops , maybe ukraine or bulgaria ideally somewhere with a well for water .
where I am if left to myself I know I could survive my house has wood cookers and it heats hot water with wood I have food stored , Ive lived with out electricity for years in the past and it would be no great hardship to do it again .

but my worry is all the people who wont know what to do when their system breaks down , most likely most of them wont just go off and die quietly they will try stealing

 

Moral of the story is overly processed food is DEAD, non?

 

Its so hard for us to grow things in our yard all concreted over and surrounded by very high walls on all sides from the other flats. But we managed some beans, carrots and onions last year aswell as sprouts and grain sprouts. We planted loads of things but they simply wont grow here. Weve also been known to eat our "weeds"

Good on you for growing cereals, wish we could

 

Also, will potatoes grow with so little sunlight? (and a lot of water) Id love to grow my ownmmm

 

Ohh, that sounds so awesome! I wish I had a garden...

 

I grew some potatoes in our garden and then dug them up and cooked them, then we did the same again and it was great then on the other 363 days we ate food from the hypermarket

 

Actually I quite like the idea of seeing the foodgrow that I eat.
So I know it aint been sprayed with poisonous crap.

Problem is , 95 percent of the land is owned by upper class twits who inherited it 1000 years ago and have never done a days work in their lives.To feed yourslef for one year , most of us would need a lot more land than we currently have.
So time for a revolt

 

http://www.selfsufficientish.com/councilsaj.htm

a list of local councils you go on their site and contact them about allotments even if there’s a waiting list if you really want one put your name down and you could try re-contacting them every year or so .
Some councils don’t have allotments but I think they have to if there is a demand .

other things you could do is advertise in local papers for people who are not using their garden you get some old people or very busy non gardeners who have land they don’t use they might let you grow vegetables for say keeping the front garden tidy or whatever deal you work out .
Then you have councils renting out possible market garden size pieces of ground they do sometimes do that look around their websites and you can sometimes find stuff like that.

then there is gardening in a covert way in parks or woods or rough ground, then there is moving to somewhere where land is cheap there are lots of places round Europe Bulgaria Poland parts of France Portugal away from the coast , then there are communes in the uk or eco villages , then there’s the whole working on organic farms thing woof its called that would teach you how to do things .

basically the whole idea of getting food and transporting it 7000 miles to you is dead when we go over the peak of oil production so is industrial agriculture ,so the world is going to need millions of people in agriculture and market gardening so that people can produce food locally .

if you look at the uk mostly you see farms with cows and sheep in the old days farms did a bit of everything they had animals they grew cereals , they grew field crops they had orchards because local farms supplied the local market .

That’s going to return because of the difficulty transporting produce

 

I think we should all become feudal again and I will be The Baron of Moxus and Canassus
Or simply The Night who waves goodbye

 

Ive seen places for sale with say a acre for £3,000-6,000 I used to work for the post office sorting letters all week at night I did 84 hour weeks I was making £500 a week and a monkey could have done it ,so you could buy a place like that clear in 6 -12 weeks

 

jonny2mad is this you ?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QRUPgyk5njQ

or this one
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h-z5T8meC84