psychadellic commune

yeah, its not very possible if the government that boasts personal freedom tolerance doesn't let you do what you want, in combination with...dumb teens, to say the least. in the 60s, there was something. it didn't last too long though, and soon the community was reduced to nothing.

although, native americans are a perfect example. they reached more of their human potential than any other culture, using a psychedelic plant. successful psychedelic commune right there.
so there you have two examples that thrived, until they were run off.

 

This is an interesting subject I have mixed feelings on it. Right now in my life I am one of the middle-aged people that want a safe community for children. But when I was 18 or 20 I wanted to live in a psychedelic commune do lots of drugs and live in spaceland.
Just different people wanting different things out of life or at different phases in life.

I think a lot of us hippies that are middle aged went though a phase where we went out and did lots of psychedelics and were spaced out wild younger people.
I’m not trying to say I’m old and know better or anything like that just that my life has changed and want something different.
So when someone says they want to go out be free live in a psychedelic commune I say go for it. It will probably be fun and educational. It might not be sustainable living but most 18-22 year old hippies aren’t looking for sustainable living.

I think you guys should go do it though and stop talking spaced out crap about cults and fantasyland.
Go get a pound or 2 of shrooms and go to Ocala I sure you will find a lot of people who will do shrooms with you.

You guys with this Shaman stuff are out there..

Indians didn’t sit around and do peyote all day and live in peace..
They lived a hard life on the verge of war and starvation and peyote and mushroom use was very rare.

 

actually, isnt it a trend to do psychedelics, even an easy way to get cash? even in the last rainbow i was (rainbows are gatherings where no money transactions are allowed) there was this guy selling acids, of course he was smart, he knew it would be the perfect place to find the right type of people.... i mean, it has been decided from the beginning, no drugs on the gatherings (except pot), these are rules in european gathering anyway, and still, there has to come some greedy dealer trying to change the vibe and make some quick cash. "spiritual drugs" are not that spiritual in the end

 

a psychedelic commune would be the worst place in the world.

 

Even the "real" thing is a chemical reaction by your terminology. And I assume meditation and devotion to communion is the automatic by-product of enough psychedellics. The view you have in your head right now is entirely different than mine. Also, do you believe that old eastern proverb "all paths lead to one"?

and I realize now you all would probably have understood what I was trying to get at better if instead of psychedellic commune I said psychedellic art studio in a forest that grew vegetables for physical exercize. My purposes for pursuing this is entirely different than your new age 'sustainable' commune. Basically the single purpose of it would be to fill as many sketchpads as possible and do as many group-painting, group-sculptures as possible. I realize now though that this would require a very specific mix of people and isn't something that I will so much find.... well maybe

 

Even if the "real things" are a chemical reaction in my terminology, so fucking what? they come from I, not a substance.

"all paths lead to one" yeah... we are all going to die someday... some learn the easy way, some learn the hard way.

Sorry but I respect people that make arts from their own very mind. Everyone can throw some crazy shits while being on acid. I saw some people that couldn't even draw those little stick guys and when they got on acid draw some amazing shit.

Than again, in what way, producing shrooms, eat them to produce art, and possibly sell the artworks, is by anyways spiritual? To ME that's an evil machine, but I know some people could enjoy it. Now you might say you don't want to sell those artworks but kid, how do you expect to live? I argue with the information I know. You don't might wanna work like crazy to grow your own food, but you still need money if you are too busy doing drugs and doing some paintings. So I guess that would be your own way to be sustainable. Don't expect to live on some tomatoes, cocumbers and carrots for a GROUP of persons, all you guys are going to go mad.

Dude, in the end, you have a lot of opinions on your topics, at this moment, there is 9 pages of them. There is so much to cover and only some points have been discuss and already it's almost unbelievable to go in that direction. In the end there's no one that will go to your house and stop you. You are majour and able to make your own decision. There's no point in fighting over psychedelics on that subject. Living independently needs lots of work to be done, and is hard even when you are a sober, so I just don't get it how some psychedelic heads could make it. You know what, maybe you are just not at the good place, this is the communial living forum, I would never go on the psychedelic forum and shit on those guys. But dude, if you talk about psychedelic AND communial living, don't expect me to tell you it's all cool and how the grass is greener on the other side. Sadly, we just don't live only from love and fresh water.

 

barbuchon your just.... all over the place.

Your first paragraph. Ok.
Your second paragraph... ya if you wanna put it into such a basic thing
Your third paragraph... certainly a matter of opinion, but to me all psychedelically inspired art is a clear notch above your typical alcohol or just weed inspired art. Or even the completely sober artist... if such a thing exists.

But then your 4th paragraph. You just stick in this little notion you invented in your own head. You realize thats what youve done this whole time? Nothing I've said is really that absurd, its just that world in your own brain is sticking in a bunch of peculiar 'what ifs' and suppositions on what I THINK. Really if you just stopped thinking you know everything and pay attention to what other people say you would probably would avoid every single argument you get into.

Because the entire purpose of making art in a capitalist society is to sell it. Furthermore I don't consider that evil in the slightest. The only people giving out 'illuminating fuel', so to say, to keep peoples brains turning and aiming for something more is the inspiration they recieve from art. If thats evil to you by the mere fact artists want living sustinence from their contribution, I don't want to have anything to do with what you consider Good.

Now I know this is just pathetic and is a last word thing. But I honestly just do not see what the hell you are trying to argue here. What is your point. Heres my point, I want to find the most inspiring enviroment I can possibly get to. Psychedellic Commune seems like a GLORIOUS place to me for such matters and I have been and will always be looking for an opening into such an enviroment, no matter how temporary it may be. But you seem to think I'm seeking somewhere that I can meet a wife and raise kids or form a buisness off of? Yes certainly all the wise old people doing this are wiser and their actions are based off more experience of the matter and actually making it work in a long-term situation, but I'm certainly not at that point and I'm certainly not looking to make babies or form a buisness of such endeavors off a commune or even stay in the same place for the rest of my life. Is it that you want me to recognize that I won't be doing what I'm currently doing forever? Well hurrary captain obvious, yes certainly that is true. But really you have just been flying off the deep end on a bunch of shit that doesn't even matter. If your in the mood to shred into people because of your pseduo-righteous feeling about 'knowing something greater' or 'what other people will eventually end up doing in the future' then go protest some Christians with some Dawkins 'God Delusion' notions, you'll certainly be better recieved. Because your current endeavor to remove all relations of psychedellia and 60's hippie styles from the modern notion of 'Commune' is really just dumb and pointless. It is far more possible that I will find such a place than it is for you to stop people forming such places.

 

Rygoody your mission statement is getting a lot better much more down to earth.

This thread could use a good commune size mushroom pic.
This pic is from a commercial grower in Holland.

 

That is alot of shrooms

 

do you know what i think when i see this....!? i feel disgusted.... why? because it is being commersialised, it is going into the minds of wrong people.... it is becoming mainstream, a hype, just something cool- people think they are doing something spiritual, when in the end they are starving to get some cred and then they can say they "have done it" (and then tell their mates what cool visuals they had, etc) and the people who do drugs nowadays are actually the least spiritual people, they are so insecure and bored and empty. it was different years ago.... today, it is just young spoiled immature people who are hoping to take a short cut.... but actually, they are not getting nearer any spiritual goal

 

I think it all depends on the people. I dont think drugs are being commercialized... However of course most people who do drugs dont care about spiritual awakenings. However most people who do drugs smoke weed, do cocaine, or pop pills. These (almost never I guess its possible) people are not looking for a spirit trip. To make a blanket statement like that some how kids are different today is plain ignorance.

I only do entheogeons and Marijuana, and everytime I consume entheogeons I make sure to do some meditation and try to go out and connect with nature if I can. I really think it is a spiritual thing for me. Of course I have been distracted from the spiritual and self knowledge aspects of the drugs at times... and instead goof off and have fun. However thats not my main goal, and I never waste a whole trip away.

I will admit I had to convince my friends LSD was more than just fun. However if I didnt, I dont think they ever would have tried it. There not druggies.

 

How the fuck are you asking me what is my point if you pretend that you read my posts?!? My point is clear and many of us share it. In what way, giving my opinion, is trying to stop you?!? Are you crazy or what?

You are old enought to make your own decisions, if all you want out of life at the moment is eat some mushroom and draw some mandalas, go for it.

To - ME - ... That is simply not a contribution to society.

 

I seems like you are saying if people don’t think and believe like you do they should not be able to have psychedelic substances?
If that is what you are saying I think that is very narrow minded and ignorant.
I just seems ignorant to dictate what people should be able to have something like psychedelics based on if their beliefs are similar to yours.

Maybe people aren’t trying to get close to the same “spiritual goal” as yours.

 

Since when have magic mushrooms gone commercial laeyne?
I mean asides from the pizza restaraunt with the obvious intention behind the name and logo.
Last time I checked, people were still touching the magic and having conversations that make this thread look like the pile of shit that it has become.
Namaste.

 

That kind of remember me when a user of this forum was trying to convince us that todays drug dealers were modern shaman.

 

have you ever been to amsterdam? i was there this summer, just passing through (NOT to buy stuff) and in every coffee shop they where selling 10-20 different types of mushrooms. the buyers got the "professional" advice of the girl in the counter, coldly and professionally describing the effects... totally buziness like.
(i heard though that selling mushrooms now in amsterdam is illegal, but just go to internet...!)
i have been in goa several times (the place in india where people take a lot of psychadelics.... it started like that in the 60s) goa started as a hippy place with a lot of acid and psychadelic parties. today there are no parties (no real ones, only in discos) but the acid, mushrooms are still there, as well as many "oldtimers". the place is FULL of dealers selling acid and smoke and coke and mdma. it is just a decadent place where people pretend to "connect" on another level, what has happened is that many people who have been there too long have become dead inside and are stealing the energy of the "freshies", the newliy arrived. it is the absolut opposite of spirituality. it is decadence, the hunger of making loads of quick cash and selling bad and low quality stuff. it is really just a game, to see who will survive , who will not. to succeed in the race, you need:
- to be a real pro in bed or have a real big dick (haha i know it is pathetic, but the girls in goa are really into that) but show NO feelings, be purely professional.
- you can sell drugs (acid, mushrooms, smoke, coke- not ketamine: that you can buy at the chemist)
- you need to know all the cool people, dealers, djs, even if you really cant stand them, because 99% of them are so boring.
go to goa, maybe it is a place for you.... yeah, i forgot... the cops, that might be a probleme. they are all over the place, absolutely corrupt, making roadblocks at night, spying on you and coming into your private room and searching it and HOPING to find something, so you can pay a large bribe. they will even plant stuff on you, quite common.
the place is full of bad vibes, it wasnt like that in the 60-, 70-, 80-ies.... "it was SO spiritual"! well, there was no cops, you could swim naked, BUT it was not a spiritual place, as many of us (including me) thought.
wake up.... no offence. we all live in hopes and wishes to find....? it aint that easy.

 

Oh dear lord.
What an evil world we live in, where you can go BUY something instead of doing everything yourself. For shame, human race, for shame.
Obviously places degenerate laeyne, but people are and always have been people. A few spots on the Earth where drugs are abused ritualistically doesnt mean the whole world is the same way.

 

well.... i am not against drugs.. the probleme is that they are too available.... sorry to tell you but there are a lot of IMMATURE PEOPLE out there...
trust me. haha.

 

laeyne I sense some jealousy when you talk about the goa girls.

Just kidding..

I can see a little where you are coming from I hate Amsterdam, raves all that kind of crap. I’m the kind of person that likes to relax in the woods or on a beach.
But I think what is spiritual to one person might not be to another. What is spiritual? Baptist church, pagan cult, national soccer game, circle of rocks in the woods, eating shrooms and shagging goa girls?
Is all what people make of it.

Personally I’m not into most of that stuff you talk negative about but I think people have every right to do it and have fun as long as they are not hurting anyone.

 

I hated something once... then I fell in love
I judged other people many times... until I realized I was LOVE
.
I thought I was offended.. then I found out LOVE can not be offended...

There is never a truthful answer that comes from the mind.. the mind can not be expanded... BUT one can shift ONEs awareness away from the mind.. into infinity....

a place where right and wrong don't exist... a place where people don't argue their limitations...

You can never go their with a single thought..

iloveyou

ONLY THE most detremined HIPP (LOL) will ever make this journey.. you better be one part military leader and one part lover.... cause DYING aint easy...

You ask how - http://www.dhamma.org/

Sitting for 10 days won't get YOU their... BUT one might actually stat to become aware that YOU are NOT your thoughts.. you are not the mind....

OPINIONS are ONE's biggest road block... you can not join the orgy until you take the HUGE leap of faith into death of the mind...

YEAH, that means YOU!

lol

iloveyou

it is impossible to understand.. it is so easy to experience.. just surrender and become love..... force yourself to hug those you don't like.. IT'S only YOU!! IT's only you that is here... have compassion for yorself... stop hurting other people with yor judgments and harsh words.. you are killing YOURself....


life is easy... just quit trying

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