Boycott Cars man.

If you're "hip" and GROOVE into that NATURE-SCENE, man, you must watch out for "the MAN" (FINKLESTEIN, on the DHARMA and GREG - TV SERIES)! "The MAN" is the MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX (60's terminology). With the PATRIOT/MALITIA movement, it would be more like the "MEN IN BLACK", and the GOVERNMENT-CORPORATE complex. Similar concepts!

To "Boycott TECHNOLOGY", by going back to a more NATURAL LIFE-STYLE, by living OUT IN THE WILDERNESS, only slightly catches the attention of the NWO. The New World Order Plan is to "herd" the SHEEPLE into CITIES, and PREVENT "isolated", OUT IN THE WILDERNESS LIVING. They're huge CONTROL FREAKS! BIG BROTHER must have HIS "watchful ILLUMINATI eye" on everyone!!! Where is BIG SISTER, anyway!

The city of LONDON has nice pictures of BIG BROTHER, all over their SUBWAY SYSTEM walls, plus SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS all over their city! Can you say GEORGE ORWELL's 1984!!! No one likes CRIME, but what kind of life is it to live in a FISHBOWL? We must strike a comfortable balance between FREEDOMS and SECURITY!!!

During THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION. it was those darn SMALL FARMERS (who CONTROL the FOOD), who offered the most resistance to JOSEPH STALIN!!! NOW in AMERICA, it's those darn PATRIOT/MILITIA SMALL FARMERS, who appear to offer the most resistance to the NWO!!!

In the PURE COMMUNIST philosophy, there is no real SMALL FARMERS! All land is pretty-much STATE-OWNED and STATE-CONTROLLED! In a similar vain, the NWO is trying to run ALL SMALL FARMERS out of business (through ECONOMIC COLLAPSE), to buy up their land cheap (to CORPORATE own it), and then have them work on their own land (for the CORPORATION) on MINIMUM WAGES!!! COMMUNISM, man!!!

Right now, PEACE-LOVING HIPPIES are probably NOT on the NWO's list of PRIORITIES, yet!!! But who knows about in the future, with GLOBAL-TOTALITARIANISM!!! MILITIA/PATRIOTS are more under "suspection" nowadays, by the NWO, and COMPETITIVE DRUG DEALERS!

They do aerial surveillance on CORN CROPS, looking for MARIJUANA GROWERS in the THUMB-area of MICHIGAN. Some small farmers get BUSTED! However, years ago my sister said that late at night, a surveillance helicopter shined some bright-lights into her small, backyard garden (with some corn stalks), searching for POT PLANTS!!! And she lived in a city!

What are those darn BLACK HELICOPTERS, anyway???

- BLACK HELICOPTERS AND SECRET TECHNOLOGY-SURVELLANCE DEVICES" -

The term BLACK HELICOPTERS, probably refers to BLACK OPS (OPERATIONS) HELICOPTERS (meaning hidden and secret operations). and not to any color that they may be, or be painted. There are also BLACK JETS, as well!

In "Littlefoot's POST #125 (of this THREAD), when referring to the subject of BLACK HELICOPTERS, he states: ""It's radar that they use to detect metals. And radar (microwaves) is absorbed by carbon. That's why stealth aircraft (and other constructs) are often black." What Littlefoot states is basically TRUE, but the STEALTH AIRCRAFT (B-117, for example) is manufactured from CLASSIFIED MATERIALS. Some say these STEALTH materials are CARBON, some say DEPLETED-URANIUM, while PHIL SCHNEIDER, says "an advanced ALIEN-CRAFT, RETRO-ENGINEERED MATERIAL", which he had a small sample, which he displayed to people in his lectures and videos (seen on GOOGLE videos). Your guess is as good as mine here???

BEN RICH (PROJECT MANAGER of the F-117 stealth fighter, for LOCKHEED, at "Skunk Works"), came up with the idea of painting the stealth aircraft BLACK:

"The idea to paint the high-speed aircraft's skin black, to help dissipate the tremendous frictional heat, was Rich's. He championed the early prototypes of stealth technology and led the development of the F-117 stealth fighter."

ARTICLE: "Ben Rich - 'We Can Travel Among The Stars', Filer's Files, www.ufocenter.com, 11-21-7:
LINK: www.rense.com/general79/among.htm

In Littlefoot's POST "123 (of this THREAD), he states: "And by-the-way, most of the helicopters they tell me, aren't actually black. They are dark green." BLACK HELICOPTERS, really mean, BLACK OPS HELICOPTERS, so they can be painted any color, that is desirable for the given situation. BLACK and DARK GREEN, would both work great in NIGHTIME, but NOT too good during the day! However, some RUSSIAN MIG jet aircraft are painted SKY BLUE, for GOOD DAYTIME CAMOUFLAGE!

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION on BLACK HELICOPTERS, SURVEILLANCE DEVICES and other "Classified Advanced Antigravity Aerospace Craft", consult these two fine articles:

ARTICLE: "Classified Advanced Antigravity Aerospace Craft Utililizing Back-Engineered Extraterrestrial Technology", By Richard Boylan, Ph.D., 2005, from BOYLAN Website"
LINK: www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_antigravity.htm

ARTICLE: "U.S. GOVERNMENT SECRET TECHNOLOGY" (Blue Planet Project)
LINK: www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/blueplanetproject/blueplanetproject08.htm

- U.S. GOVERNMENT SECRET TECHNOLOGY -

"Mystery Helicopters and Mutilations
Normally the mystery helicopters belongs to the DELTA/NRO division. For a normal mutilation reserach mission they send one helicopter with a team of seven agents and two Remote Piloted Vehicle, (RPVs). The RPVs are small devices of look-a-like small saucers of three (3) feet in diameter and radio controlled."

"Surveillance Devices
Airborne remotely operated Device, AROD THE RPV
NOTE: This vehicle was created by Aerojet Electro-Systems in California.
The RPVs carry a survellance robot AIRBORNE REMOTELY OPERATED DEVICE (AROD). A flying pizza with a tail, three (3) feet across, carrying a high-tech video camera aboard. Also surveilling the surveillance device from above, is a device known as a HIGH-ALTITUDE LONG-ENDURANCE DRONE (HALE)."
"HALE is designed to reach altitudes up to 100,000 feet. The device is powered by microwaves from the main helicopter. The HALE ADR 238F: The TELEDYNE RYAN AERONAUTICAL CORPORATION is responsible for the mysterious Helicopters or 'XH SHARKS', as they refer to them."

"The TRA, SN-75, XH-75D
I believe a cover-up of the capacity of this helicopter, is operating which overrides the real and total capacities and capabilities of this helicopter, but the following is only what I've been able to learn, and may not be the total capacity and/or capabilities.

- Type Rotor: Advanced Blade System, Experimental Research Demonstrator.
- Engines: One (1), 1, 825 horespower Pratt & Whitney engine, Canada J60-3A Turbojet, Turboshaft and two (2) 3,000 lb. (1361 Kg) Pratt & Whitney Turbos.
- Dimensions: Diameter of three (3) blade, double main rotors are thirty six (36) feet oin (10-97m) length of the fuselage forty (40) feet.
- Performance: Maximum Speed (level flight) 276 MPH (445 Km/h)
Rate of Climb 5,000 Ft./Sec."
"Some helicopters (XH-75D Type) also have a Gravitational Electromagnetic Projector to create a "Cocoon" around the helicopter as a disguise. A 360 degree global arc with a radius of fifty (50) feet, more or less, provides a photonic force-field."
"A black Helicopter (XH-75D Type)
When activated, turns into a UFO, as shown below, with no inertia and no acceleration effects. This provides 82% Higher protection against attacks. When used during a normal Mutilation Research Mission, the XH-75D Type black helicopter carries a crew of seven agents, two (2) RPVs, and one (1) HALE drone."

Supposedly, the BLACK HELICOPTERS are mostly used for CATTLE and HUMAN MUTILATIONS studies, and sometimes for ALIEN-CRAFT RECOVERY, and not really for SURVEILLING (and SPYING) on AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!

But what could be possibly be used for U.S. CITIZEN SPYING? Possibly the following CLASSIFIED, HIGH-TECH SURVEILLANCE DEVICES:

ARTICLE: "Drones: Military Reverses Alien Technology The Most Important Information released This Decade, By "Issac", June 27, 2007"
LINK: www.whale.to/b/drones.html Or,
www.metatech.org/07/drones_military_reverse_engineering_alien_technology.html

ARTICLE: "Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings", By "Isaac""
LINK: http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com

Commercial Applications Research for Extraterrestrial Technology (CARET), Q4-86 RESEARCH REPORT, December 1986, PALO ALTO, CA and PACL STAFF, PALO ALTO CARET LABORATORY.

ANTI-GRAVITY, CLOAKING SURVEILANCE DEVICES:

"These crafts, assuming they're anything like the hardware that I worked with in the 80's (assuming they're better, in fact), are equipped with technology that enables invisibility. This ability can be controlled both on board the craft, and remotely. However, what's important in this cae is that this invisibility can also be disrupted by other technology. Think of it like radar jamming."

So look toward the skies, to see if you can spot these BLACK HELICOPTERS and/or SURVEILLANCE DEVICES, however, they're very STEALTHY, and most of the time "INVISIBLE"!!!

Peace and May The Force Be With You, as you'll need THE FORCE to find these BLACK OPS (MAGIC OPS) SPYING DEVICES!!!

 

That's a great thought, but I don't think mankind is capable, lol.

We're drawn to nature because the primitive side of us craves it, it's healthy, it's freedom, yet somehow we were cursed with this holy grail of technology, and now it's hard to escape.

Technology is great in that it provides us with conveniences, which allow us more time for cultural pursuits, as cosmicdust mentions. The down side is it also isolates us from one another, and causes alienation, information overload, and in many cases, mental illness.

We've got our share of rednecks up here in the North East, with their 4x4's, snowmobiles in the winter, power boats and ATV's in the summer, it's criminal. What ever happened to good ol' self powered recreation? It's easy to stay in shape if you engage in physical activities that don't require motors, and it's great to have some peace and quiet...till some asshole on an ATV cruises by and kills yer buzz.

We've also got our share of helicopters, thanks to living near a college campus, so I can't grow my own (I thought about doing it indoors, but then the kids would probably find it).

 

They're not HIDING the helicopters in these parts. They WANT people to know they are being watched! Example: Last JUNE, way before pot plants would be very big, a chopper flew grids across several counties, targeting certain spots including this neighborhood. It was a greenish brown in color, large, the doors were open, displaying someone sitting at a high powered machine gun which was aimed out the door. They flew so close you could see their faces. Now, LOTS OF FOLKS around here have police scanners, and it's common knowledge that when there is an actual BUST going down they go to a "secret" channel so nobody can hear and warn anyone of what's up. But on THIS occasion, not only did they use the common channel, they ANNOUNCED who they were planning on busting and announced the fact that they had 3 CARLOADS of State Police on the ground waiting. It was all a show of force, as several of those whose names came across the scanner were ultimately NOT harassed at all by the cops, only the helicopter. MANY people heard OUR names as being some of those who they were "coming after", but aside from the helicopter guys invading our private airspace for almost an hour and showing off their gun, we never saw a single cop... Total intimidation. I just want to know, HOW can we boycott this civilization when we have to be subjected to things like this?

 

It is a known fact that ILLEGAL DRUG CROP SEARCH-type of aircraft: military planes and helicopters are NOT A SECRET OPERATION! They WANT to be seen and viewed as a KNOWN PRESENCE. They want to appear as very INTIMIDATING and FREIGHTENING to us! It's that old FEAR FACTOR-thing, of CONTROLLING the MASSES through FEAR (as has been done to the masses through the centuries)! Let's just call them the BOGEYMEN!!!

The illegal drug laws-enforcement aircraft are most likely local SHERIFF's DEPARTMENTS and STATE POLICE DEPARTMENTS (NARCOTICS DIVISION). They could also be MILITARY (IF a REALLY BIG DRUG BUST is to go down) or from the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA).

In the 70's-early80's, I lived next door to an UNDERCOVER NARCOTICS OFFICER (NARC) - STATE POLICEMAN. Being "undercover" he wore a big beard and drove a HARLEY-DAVISON motorcycle! He was friendly to the neighbors, so no real problems happened, probably because he has a VERY DANGEROUS job, and a family to worry about (and keep SAFE). We also had a CITY COP, who lived in our subdivision (back then), and his kids smoked the weed! It was a STRANGE SITUATION, but everything worked out PEACEFULL, toward everyone's advantage! NO HARM to NO ONE!

The real IRONY is that the CIA (USA), KGB (RUSSIA), MI-5, MI-6 (UK), MAFIA-VATICAN (ITALY) and MOSSAD (ISRAEL), (i.e. the biggest INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES on our planet) are the biggest DRUG DEALERS on our planet! Many FEDERAL WHISTLE BLOWERS and ex-INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS (like: BARRY SEALS (CIA), GENE "Chip" TATUM (CIA), JAMES CASBOLT (MI-5, MI-6 - UK), and so on) have "spilled the beans" on this. Most CONSPIRACY and UFO/ALIEN WEBSITES talk about this subject, ALOT! Threre is WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION and DOCUMENTATION on this subject (on the World Wide Web)!

The FORMULA is simple: with TAX dollars you have to record INFORMATION on HOW you spend your MONEY (i.e. FINANCIAL REPORTS), but TOP SECRET and CLASSIFED AGENCIES (INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES) must remain TOP SECRET and HIDDEN form the PUBLIC VIEW, otherwise, they DEFEAT their own purposes! So the SECRET AGENCIES sell TONS of drugs (ILLEGALLY), all over the world, to pay for their OUTRAGEOUSLY COSTLY SECRET PROJECTS - which are commonly called BLACK OPERATIONS (BLACK OPS) and MAGIC OPERATIONS (MAGIC OPS), which are involved mostly with: Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMB's), LUNAR BASES, MARTIAN BASES, SECRET AIRCRAFT AND SPACESHIPS, MIND CONTROL PROJECTS and GENETIC ENGINEERING.

The PHONEY, so called "WAR on DRUGS" is only about ELIMINATING the smaller dealers, who are COMPETING against the INTELLIGENCE AGENCIE's and MOB's MAIN FINANCES! THEY won't get rid of ILLEGAL DRUGS, as it's their 'bread and butter" FINANCES! The World-Wide ILLEGAL DRUGS market is worth MORE than the PETROLEUM INDUSTRIES (OIL)!!! WARS are basicially for EMPIRE EXPANSION and SOCIAL CONTROL, but are usually fought over OIL or DRUGS!!! The VIETNAM and AFGHANISTAN WARS were really about control over DRUG TURF! The ISRAELI MOSSAD controls 80% of the ECSTACY market!

The MAIN SYNOPSIS of this subject is that if you BUY ILLEGAL DRUGS, you're REALLY supporting the MOB and BLACK OPS and MAGIC OPS PROJECTS!!! HIPPIES contribute alot to these organizations, unless they buy from a small, independent dealer! However, some of these BLACK OPS and MAGIC OPS PROJECTS may be for OUR DEFENSE against GIANT ASTEROIDS and COMETS, and POSSIBLE ALIEN INVASIONS!!! In these cases, it is money well spent! It's those MIND CONTROL and GENETICS EXPERIMENTS that CREEPS people out, that they are involved in!

You would have to BOYCOTT ILLEGAL DRUGS to have an effect on these HIDDEN PROJECTS, but how many people would do this? AND IF THEY DID THIS, it would TOTALLY DESTROY the WORLD's ECONOMY!!! It's a very complicated (yet SIMPLE) situation. I don't discuss too much about the ILLEGAL DRUGS MARKET STRUCTURE on hippy.com, as it's DANGEROUS STUFF, involving MANY DANGEROUS PEOPLE and GROUPS, mentioned on all of the CONSPIRACY and UFO/ALIEN WEBSITES, anyway, and it is just a DISTRACTION to CREATING OUR OWN REALITY, one with LOVE, PEACE and HARMONY!!!

We could BOYCOTT those INTIMIDATING HELICOPTERS, instead. Where I live, in a city north of DETROIT, I usually only see GREEN, MILITARY "CHINOOK" HELICOPTERS (the big ones with two propellers), which fly to and from SELFRIGE (ANG) base, NEWS HELICOPTERS, CONSTRUCTION or INDUSTRIAL HELICOPTERS and COAST GUARD HELICOPTERS (flying over ANCHOR BAY - LAKE ST. CLAIR/ DETROIT RIVER, which are BRIGHT RED in color.) I've NEVER SEEN a real BLACK (OPS) HELICOPTER, but my Mother's PATRIOT-FARM WOMAN friend, has seen at least one (just south of SAGINAW BAY)! BUt mostly she sees those ILLEGAL DRUG CROPS (Mary Jane) MILITARY planes, flying by.

"YouTube" VIDEOS (plus a few PHOTO STILLS) showing a MILITARY "CHINOOK" HELICOPTER (DARK GREEN color) doing INTIMIDATING SURVEILLANCE (with an IMAGING DEVICE or CAMERA), on John Lenard Walson:
ARTICLE: "Mystery Space Machines - Pt. 2 Including Video Of More Government Surveillance And Intimidation", A Rense.com World Exclusive, By Jeff Rense, 12-19-7"
LINK: www.rense.com/general79/wdx2.htm
ARTICLE: "Big Machines Parked In Orbit - Black Ops, Star Wars Or ET? OR All Of The Above, By Jeff Rense, 12-8-7"
LINK: www.rense.com/general79/wdx.htm

I wouldn't worry too much about those TOP SECRET, BLACK (OPS) HELICOPTERS (which may have ANTI-GRAVITY and INVISIBILITY (STEALTH) PROPERTIES, though, as they supposedly deal PRIMARILY with: CATTLE and HUMAN MUTILATION CASE SITES (GENETIC ENGINEERING?) and crashed UFO/ALIEN SPACE-TIME CRAFTS!!! Maybe they check-out CROP CIRCLES, as well!! They're pretty "X-Filey", if you know what I mean! They're not too much into PUBLIC SURVEILLANCE operations, as they have HIGHLY-FOCUSED and SPECIFIC AGENDAS, and try to remain HIDDEN and SECRET!

"In STIGMATA, (fall-winter 1978) TOM ADAMS outlines the most prominent speculative explanations, accounting for the mutilation helicopter link, including the following possibilites:

-The helicopters are themselves UFOs, disguised to appear as terrestrial craft.
-The choppers originate from within the U.S. Government Military and are directly involved in conducting the actual mutilations.
-The helicopters are Government Military, and are not involved in the mutilations but investigating them.
-The helicopters are Government Military, and they know about the identity and the motives of the mutilators and their presence, they are trying to divert attention to the possibility of involvement by the Military."

ARTICLE: "U.S. GOVERNMENT SECRET TECHNOLOGY"
LINK: www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/blueplanetproject/blueplanetproject08.htm

These BLACK (OPS) HELICOPTERS don't bother the GENERAL PUBLIC too much, unless you get involved in ACTUAL UFO and ALIEN affairs? Those POLICE/DEA ILLEGAL DRUG SEARCHING helicopters WILL be checking everyone out! If you DON'T GROW ILLEGAL DRUG CROPS, nothing to worry about, then!

Peace, love and understanding . . .

 

Wow, Earthmother's account is sobering, disturbing. And it really sucks for the cops that they convey such irrational behavior, those guys sound like pricks. So basically what I'm getting is folks are hangin' out, living off the land, and these assholes are figuring you folks are growing and selling weed (more likely trying to find an excuse to harass you), and yet they have the nerve to screw with you when they have nothing to go on. Somehow they have the time and resources to cruise out there with guns and harass y'all. Sounds like a good time to break out the anti-aircraft mortar (just kidding...sort of).

I can see where you're coming from, fighting the system under those conditions, it ain't right.

The biggest "crime" is you're not part of main stream society, you don't buy into it by living close enough to where you could do your patriotic duty with your credit card, you must be a terrorist.

 

they don't want you to know how to survive out there, no... they want you to rely on the government. easier to control.

 

Man I had a gas guzzlin truck....I sold that bad boy for a veggie oil moped and some pocket cash!

 

There IS a COMMON FACTOR to GOVERNMENT/MILITARY/CORPORATE AIRCRAFT "survellance and intimidation", and that factor is: PROTECTING BLACK OPS (and MAGIC OPS) SECRETS, which is partly good and partly bad.

The majority of aircraft (mostly by MILITARY HELICOPTERS) SURVEILLANCE and INTIMIDATION is to:

1) Eliminate INDEPEDENT, SMALL-TIME drug crop growers and dealers (who take away FINANCES away from the BLACK OPS (and MAGIC OPS) INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, and MOBSTERS (who can "WORK TOGETHER", with these agencies). Of course. it is assumed that those HIPPIES, living OUT IN NATURE, probably have some MARIJUANA crops growing, somewhere, MOSTLY FOR PERSONAL USE (but is still LEGALLY DRUG DEALING, in a way). Plus, they're not living in CITIES, where they can be watched more easily by BIG BROTHER!!!

2) Stop the GENERAL PUBLIC from EXPOSING (and learning about) their BLACK OPS (and MAGIC OPS) SECRETS, like their SPACE-BASED (STAR WARS) WEAPONS (that the late Dr. Werner von Braun - famous GERMAN rocket scientist) was TOTALLY AGAINST!). This seems LOGICAL!

3) Cover-up all UFO, Extra-Terrestrial, Ultra-Terrestrial, Meta-Terrestrial, Alien and Advanced Space and Time Machines. ADVANCED ALIEN/ET TECHNOLOGIES could POTENTIALLY be VERY DANGEROUS (as many are RADIOACTIVE), may have DEADLY "ALIEN GERMS", could be SO ADVANCED to totally mess-up out planet, or TOTALLY DESTROY IT!, or if these ADVANCED ALIEN TECHNOLOGIES fell into the hands of OUR ENEMIES, who then would have the POWER to take over and CONTROL THE EARTH!!!

Of course, some of these ADVANCED ALIEN TECHNOLOGIES would have to be HIDDEN, as they are VERY DANGEROUS (in the WRONG hands). However, it'd still be nice if some of these technologies were used (IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN) to make our life better on this planet! I know it wouldn't solve ALL of our EARTHLY PROBLEMS, but maybe, some SELECT TECHNOLOGIES may help to REDUCE many of our EARTHLY PROBLEMS! If we SPIRITUALLY EVOLVE to the next LEVEL-NEXUS (in A.D. 2012-2013), then these 3-D PHYSICAL TECHNOLOGIES would't be needed, anymore, as we would be able TO CREATE OUR OWN REALITIES!!! But, this hasn't happened, yet!

I found some ACTUAL STILL PHOTOS and YouTube VIDEOS showing a REAL INCIDENT of HELICOPTER (CHINOOK-type mostly) SURVEILLANCE and INTIMIDATION, of JOHN LENARD WALSON (who is filming some MYSTERIOUS SPACE OBJECTS, in our EARTH's ORBIT). He has obviously "stepped on the GOVERNMENT's toes" here, and they ARE RESPONDING - through MILITARY HELICOPTER SURVEILLANCE and INTIMIDATION!!!

Please VIEW this MUST SEE INFORMATION (including photo stills and YouTube videos), as it is a REAL DOCUMENTATED CASE of HELICPTER SURVELLANCE and INTIMIDATION:

ARTICLE: "Mystery Space Machines - Pt 2 Including Video Of More Government Surveillance and Intimidation, A Rense.com World Exclusive, By Jeff Rense, 12-19-7"
LINK: www.rense.com/general79/wdx2.htm

ARTICLE: "Big Machines Parked In Orbit - Black Ops, Star Wars Or ET? Or All Of The Above?, By Jeff Rense, 12-8-7"
LINK: www.rense.com/general79/wdx.htm
QUOTE: "Someone Isn't Happy With John Lenard Wilson"

"Judging by the following video footage taken by his home, it is clear he has ventured into territory that is, shall we say, 'disconcerting' to some government or military agencies who don't like him videotaping these large, mysterious orbiting machines. The result of Walson's 'impertinence" was the almost immediate inauguration of routine visits from numerous unmarked helicopters which began regular day and night visits to his home. Here are some still frames from video John recorded of his tormentors. Pay particular attention to the huge, twin-rotor Chinook's pass right over the tree in his backyard (top right, below) to give you an idea how serious these flights are. And how clear the message is intended to be."

"It's anyone's guess the billions the US military and government have poured into black ops NASA-fascilitated programs of 'secret' spying and surveillance programs and military space weapons systems over the decades."

OPPS!!! My FLARE GUN "accidently" went off!!! Do those MILITIA "boys" have some SURFACE-to-AIR-MISSILES (SAMS), or STINGERS? This is the question? I don't really know, for sure, I'm just SPECULATING, here! An "unexpected" METEOR SHOWER, or a big COSMIC ENERGY BLAST, COULD reduce the stuff ORBITING EARTH to "useless JUNK". Of course, we have enough SPACE JUNK floating around, up there. CHICKEN LITTLE: "The SKY is FALLLING!!!" Maybe?

THANKS "earthmother" for your TRUE LIFE EXPERIENCES, with SURVEILLING and INTIMIDATING GOVERNMENT/MILITARY HELICOPTERS! It IS both "...sobering, disturbing.", as "Mellow Yellow" pointed out, in his POST #147 (on this THREAD). This is the kind of information that we HIPPIES need to defend ourselves!!!

I VALUE TRUE-LIFE, DIRECT EXPERIENCES from people, as they are REAL, and NOT SPECULATION! Plus, I like information : "Straight form the horse's mouth!" Butt NOT from the "horse's ASS!", as that's just HORSE SH*T (MANURE), like much of: Main Stream Media News!!! I use most of HARD SCIENCE, but not all.

"Mellow Yellow" stated that (POST #147): "The biggest "crime" is you're not part of main stream society, you don't buy into it by living close enough to where you could do your patriotic duty with your credit card, you must be a terrorist." Most of the credit-FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM involves the ROTHCHILD'S - BANK of ENGLAND, (LONDON,UK), who are not really AMERICAN PATRIOTS!!! Did we REALY declare our INDEPEPENDENCE from the BRITISH CROWN? Not really! But most importantly is the idea of being SEPERATED from the NWO's SOCIETAL CONTROLS, and upsettuing THEM!

"XBloodyNailPolishX" (creative avatar NAME!) stated: "they don't want you to know how to survive out there, no... they want you to rely on the government. easier to control". That's EXACTLY it, i.e. the NWO-philosophy in "a NUTSHELL"!!! WE THE PEOPLE are just "mindless, robots" to them, and they are our GODS (FALSE GODS, really), who we are supposed to worship freely! Just say: "Yazum, Masters.". Isn't this just called SLAVERY? ABOLISH SLAVERY!!! WE THE PEOPLE give the ELITE - OUR POWER, and it "reflects" back to US! This is a real MISTAKE!!!

THE NATIVE AMERICAN PHILOSPHY is to "follow your PASSION" and DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER TO EXTERNAL BEINGS (SOURCES). THE EXTERNAL UNIVERSE is an ILLUSION. SEEK TRUTH INWARD - TOWARD the VORTEX of THE GREAT SPIRIT.

NAVAJO (humor): The NAVAJO people wrote a message to be placed on the MOON (written in their native language and for future generations to see). The U.S. ASTRONAUTS went to the MOON and placed the NAVAJO peoples' message on the MOON's surface, and returned to EARTH. The NAVAJO people then told the ASTRONAUTS what their messaga said: "DON'T TRUST THESE PEOPLE. THEY'LL STEAL YOUR LAND!!!" LOL, LOL, LOL!

That's the problem when you seek the TRUTH and the TRUE GOD, in our EXTERNALLY-EXPLODING UNIVERSE (the "matrix" - ILLUSION). You should be seeking in our INTERNALLY-EXPLODING UNIVERSE! The TRUE GOD is INTERNAL DIMENSIONS, and not EXTERNAL DIMENSIONS! That ls why some people EXPLORE with ENTHENOGENIC (PSYCHEDELIC) SUBSTANCES - like LSD. LSD = Let's Seek Dimensions (INTERNAL).

THE HEAVENS (outer space) is just GOD'S CREATIONS, not GOD him/her/it-self (ALL THAT IS)! ET's are the only things dropping from OUTER SPACE! Do you want them to be our GODS? To WORSHIP them? It's NO DIFFERENCE than worshipping any EARTH HUMAN(S), is it? FALSE GODS, and IDOLS. We can LEARN from ET's (and RESPECT them), as the UNIVERSE is just one big INFINITE UNIVERSITY, anyway! We don't need that WORSHIPPING, thing! The EXTERNAL GODS (and TRUTHS) are FALSE, the INTERNAL GOD (and TRUTHS) are REAL.

NATIVE AMERICAN WISDOM:

"We're going to go through trials. We're going to go through changes. The most important thing that we can do is turn inward. Because if we turn inward and we open up the inward, then that which happens outside will be a result of what happens on the inside. If we keep looking outward and forget the inside, then we'll be lost in the illusion."
-Robert Ghostwolf of the Hopi Nation
"The Millennium Transformation"
LINK: wysiwyg://45http://www.samsara2003.com (expired link)
Dr. Robert Ghostwolf of the Hopi Nation (Ghost Dance Camp Montana) WEBSITE
LINK: www.wolflodge.org

MY ANALYSIS:
UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY - "We' going to go through TRIALS." ( i.e. UNIVERSAL LESSONS)
QUANTUM PHYSICS: (THERE IS ONLY CHANGE.) - "We're going to go through changes."
INTERNALLY-EXPLODING UNIVERSE - "turn inward".
EXTRENALLY-EXPLODING UNIVERSE - "that which happens inside will happen outside"
"THE MATRIX" - "...then we'll be lost in the illusion."

- Dr. Robert Ghost Wolf of the HOPI NATION -
"We live in a holographic world, it appears at times to be dense and solid, and the matrix can appear to be fixed, yet at any moment we can elect to take the action, that causes the circumstances to change or shift, thus the outcome for us can be other then it is for those who follow the herd. That is the universal reality for this and all of the other worlds in the universe, of which there are some ten billion. We however Mankind if at this time in a very unique situation, and much of the outcome for the entire universe, and all material life forms depends upon the decisions we make."

"Mankind is a special creation, unique onto the universe; one that is very different from the rest, for mankind has the potential to become the dreaming God, the God that creates from thought alone, and all that mankind embraces has and continues to come to pass to stand testament in the ever changing yet constant dream. What mankind chooses to embrace would affect all that passes through their mind, and that to which the mind has access is infinite."

For a VERY DETAILED account of what I just stated, about the INTERNALLY-EXPLODING UNIVERSE and the EXTERNALLY-EXPLODING UNIVERSE, please consult the following excellant ARTICLE:

"Shopping For Spirit The Search For Truth, by Steve Gamble - Part Five"
EQUILIBRA - THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH (WEBSITE -UK)
LINK: www.equilibrauk.com/shop5.shtml

"THE PATH TO TRUTH IS INWARDS and the illusionary path is focused outwards, externally, directing our energies back to Man's creation, thus sustaining and perpetuating the ego's unbalanced fear-based life-forms."

But haven't US HIPPIES known this along?

WE TURN INWARDS TOWARD THE TRUTH, and AWAY FROM THE EXTERNAL ILLUSION!!!

Peace, love and understanding . . .

 

It seems as if this thread has gotten off track, but it really hasn't. All these things we talk about are interconnected. Because the real bottom line is that we, collectively, only know what we are FED. As individuals, some of us realize there is more than a steady diet of THEIR reality and LOOK for it.

I stumbled across some very interesting info on WATER cars, breaking water up into hydrogen and oxygen and using that as a fuel... If things like this are possible, we could use it as a way to stop feeding into THEIR reality, as theirs is not the only one. I'd be skeptical of ANYTHING that "THEY" offer us, even if it is an "alternative". Because they are not concerned with anyone's best interests but their own. Same thing with the helicopters, the intimidation, the drug war in general. They sell it as being something that's necessary to wipe out the evil scourage of drugs, yet it is really just another way of keeping their noses up our butts and in our lives to control us. The drug war in areas like this has become one of ridding the world of people who wish to BOYCOTT the black market drug trade altogether (you'd think they'd like that idea) by taking personal responsibility for their habits. But they can't have it, because it takes away profit from THEIR little illegal drug game. The entire game board that they create is bullshit. They give you the rules, but they play by different ones. They are in control of all the "official" playing pieces. Every once in a while they allow you the illusion that you could get ahead in the game, but in reality they are playing a totally different and opposing game than you are.
Good examples are those stupid "energy saving" lightbulbs, "hybrid" cars, "green" houses and businesses... None of which does much except create the illusion that something good can come of what THEY do and what THEY offer us. SCREW "THEY".

 

its easy guys. i didnt bother to read all the pages because there are so many but i read the first 5 or 6. hydrogen power is the name of the game. instead of gas tanks, water tanks with converters that split the hydrogen and oxygen, releasing the oxygen and using the hydrogen to power the car. the only problem is explosions from auto accidents, which can possibly be minimized through other means. it's the future

 

The drug trade is run by the government, as is everything else. The big players are the guys who are connected, the ones who have the influence to make enforcement personel look the other way. If THEY can't get their piece of everything we do, that's a problem. Not only do they get a piece of us when it comes to the profits, but it's the lawyers and the court system that get paid as well, like a well oiled machine, and oil=money.

Hydrogen fusion sounds like an interesting technology, I hope they can make it work...after they've sucked the blood out of the petroleum economy...

 

The MAIN idea of this thread was that: emissions from automobiles, causing a build up of CO-2 GASES (aka GREENHOUSE GASES), which supposedly cause GLOBAL WARMING. However, if you know TRUE SCIENCE, the UNIVERSE operates in fairly predictable cycles, or what DONOVAN Leitch (the 60's BRITISH singer) implied in his song: COSMIC WHEELS: "cosmic wheels and celestial gears". The MAYAN CALENDER is based upon SOLAR CYCLES (smart people there)!

After just a few more years of GLOBAL WARMING, the SOLAR CYCLE will issue in a 20-30 year period of GLOBAL COOLING (i.e.a FREEZING mini-"ICE AGE")! I've always known this to be true, for quite awhile! You can't FOOL MOTHER NATURE!!! Or MOTHER EARTH!!! You CAN FOOL the SHEEPLE, though, but they appear to be WAKING UP, from their COSMIC SLUMBER! And that's a GOOD SIGN!

BREAKING NEWS ALERT!!! HOT OFF OF THE PRESSES!!!

AL GORE should READ THIS!!!:

- SPACE AND SCIENCE RESEARCH CENTER (SSRC) - ORLANDO, FLORIDA -

PRESS RELEASE: SSRC 1-2008

"CHANGES IN THE SUN'S SURFACE TO BRING NEXT CLIMATE CHANGE"

"January 2, 2008"

"Today, the Space and Science Research Center, (SSRC) in Orlando, Florida announces that it has confirmed the recent web announcement of NASA solar physicists that there are substantial changes occuring in the sun's surface. The SSRC has further researched these changes and has concluded they will bring about the next climate change to one of a long lasting cold era."

"Today, Director of the SSRC, John Casey has reafirmed earlier research he led that independently discovered the sun's changes are the result of a family of cycles that bring about climate shifts from cold climate to warm and back again."

"We today confirm the recent announcement by NASA that there are historic and important changes taking place on the sun's surface. This will have only one outcome - new climate change is coming that will bring an extended period of deep cold to the planet. This is not however a unique event for the planet although it is critically important news to this and the next generations. It is but the normal sequence of alternating climate changes that has been going on for thousnds of years. Further according to our research, this series of solar cycles are so predicatble that they can be used to roughly forecast the next series of climate changes many decades in advance. I have verified the accuracy ot these cycles' behavior over the last 1,100 years relative to temperatures on Earth, to well over 90%"

"As what these changes are Casey says, "The sun's surface flows have slowed dramatically as NASA has indicated. This process of surface movement, what NASA calls the "conveyor belt" essentially sweeps up old sunspots and deposits new ones. NASA's studies have found that when the surface movement slows down, sunspot counts drop significantly. All records of sunspot counts and other proxies of solar activity going back 6,000 years clearly validates our own findings that when we have sunspot counts lower then 50 it means only one thing - an intense cold climate, globally. NASA says the solar cycle 25, the one after the next that starts this spring will be at 50 or lower. The general opinion of the SSRC scientists is that it could begin even sooner within 3 years with the next solar cycle 24."

"With the next solar minimum predicted by NASA , what I call "solar hibernation," the SSRC forecasts a much colder Earth just as it transpired before for thousands of years. If NASA is more accurate on the schedule, then we may see even warmer temperatures before the bottom falls out. If the SSRC and other scientists around the world are correct then we have only a few years to prepare before 20-30 years of lasting and possibly dangerous cold arrives."

"Given the importance of the next climate change Casey was asked whether the government has been notified. "Yes, as soon as my research revealed these solar cycles and the prediction of the coming cold era with the next climate change, I notified all the key offices in the Bush administration including both parties in the Senate and House science committees as well as most of the nation's media outlets. Unfortunately, because of the intensity of the coverage of the UN IPCC and man made global warming during 2007, the full story about climate change is very slow in getting told. These changes in the sun have begun. They are unstoppable. With the word getting out about the next climate change, hopefully we will have time to prepare."

"Some of the world's brightest scientists, also experts in solar physics and the next climate change have joined me. So, I believe this will be recognized as the most important story of the century."

ARTICLE LINK: www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=2659
SSRC - "Press Release" LINK: www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html

More information on the Space and Science Research Center is available at www.spaceandscience.net .

The previous NASA announcement was made at: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10may_longrange.htm

Aslo, check out the ARTICLE: "Not by Fire but by Ice, THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!"
"The sun is blank - no sunspots. Could this be the beginning of a cooling trend?"
LINK: www.iceagenow.com/The_sun_is_blank_no_sunspots.htm
LINK: www.spaceweather.com

"DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGNS
Message: GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE CAUSED BY MAN
Duration: 10 years +
Purpose 1) New taxation basis for planetary government
2) Reduce non-cartel development in 3rd world
Status: Now facing active PUBLIC DEBUNKING"

LINK: www.ken-welch.com/Central.html

GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE is MOSTLY caused by SOLAR CYCLES, and NOT too much by MAN!

AL GORE should've consulted with NASA, and other SOLAR PHYSICIST EXPERTS, before he made his GLOBAL WARMING movie, then it MIGHT HAVE been: "AN INCONVIENT TRUTH"!!! I said MIGHT HAVE! Now, AL GORE (and BUSH) just have "egg on their face" (sounds like a DR. PHIL "Texan" phrase, don't it?). Don't worry NASA SCIENTISTS will just slap the egg off of AL GORE's and BUSH JR.'s faces!!! Hopefully, their GLOBAL WARMING RUSE (DISINFORMATION) plan will end soon! "CURSES, foiled again!!" (what CARTOON VILLIANS say when their DASTARDLY PLANS are led astray, like " DICK DASTARDLY" - the VILLAIN cartoon character).

"earthmother" and "HawkinsOrchestra" both mentioned "internal combustion" cars that can run on HYDROGEN-GAS FUELS, created from the "breaking apart" of WATER (H-2O) (by ELECTROLYSIS - powered by a battery) into: MONO-POLAR HYDROGEN GAS and MONO-POLAR OXYGEN GAS, then "burn" these newly-created gases, to generate enough THERMAL ENERGY (HEAT) to power an INTERNAL COMUSTION ENGINE. YES, this system works, plus I found a website that tells how you can convert your own car toward this system! This system creates the fuel and uses it RIGHT AWAY, so HYDROGEN and/or OXYGEN GASES wouldn't have to be stored in large tanks (so not too much danger of EXPLOSIONS)!

Another WATER into HYDROGEN GAS FUEL by ELECTROLYSIS, "breaks apart" the WATER ATOMS (from its MOLECULAR FORM), then cause the HYDROGEN ATOMS to combine with the NITROGEN GASES (in the Earth's ATMOSPHERE) to create a HYDRIDE fuel (NITRO-HYDROGEN?). This alternative system of "breaking-apart" WATER into HYDROGEN GAS (by ELECTROLYSIS), that combines with the NITROGEN GAS (in the Earth's atmosphere), works just as well!

The PROBLEM of these water to HYDROGEN GAS systems is STORING WATER in COLD CLIMATES (like MICHIGAN in the WINTER). Your FUEL (WATER) TANK would probably FREEZE SOLID (unless you've added a special ANTI-FREEZE)?

"Melow Yellow" mentions HYDROGEN FUSION as a possible way to generate POWER. In a 1957 POPULAR MECHANICS magazine, they had a picture of a GARGANTUAN-sized GRAPHITE BOTTLE, with a 2,000,000 DEGREES F. HYDROGEN FUSION FLAME (with PLANTS to extract the HYDROGEN out of the OCEAN's WATERS)! THAT IDEA is that OLD!!! NEWER versions of TORCH FUSION GENERATORS already EXIST, but aren't being used!!! Those GREEDY PETROLEUM COMPANIES are temporarily SUPPRESSING this technology. It would take some time to "change over", even IF they did release it TO THE PUBLIC!!!

In the 70's, I applied to a job at: KMS FUSION (in ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN), which was working on LASER FUSION, instead of TORCH FUSION. BOTH Of these FUSION GENERATORS WOULD WORK!!!! On one episode of: THE TONIGHT SHOW, JAY LENO (on his opening monologue) talked about a news item, involving a teen from Rochester, Michigan (just northwest of where I live), who built a FUSION REACTOR (working?) at his home!!! It may have been a true FUSION-device, or it may have been some form of FREE-ENERGY device.

Looks like (according to NASA), were heading into GLOBAL COOLING, and NOT GLOBAL WARMING! BUNDLE UP and sit by that WARM and COZY FIRE! How about a nice, steaming, CUP of HOT CHOCOLATE!! Don' t forget to stir it with a CINNAMON or PEPPERMINT STICK!

STAY WARM OF HEART. PEACE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT!!!

 

So Gore can claim his climate change campaign worked!

Speaking of control, it's amazing how much control they've got over you if you own a car. When they pull you over, you're at their mercy. Furthermore, they've got all your personal information on file, which they pull up arbitrarily when they run your plates, then they can instantly tell your criminal record, and if they should pull you over. Maybe there's more to our dependency on cars than oil profiteering...

 

And the big irony is initially cars were sold to us as a means to increase our freedom.

 

We kind of need cars, man. cut back and reduce using them but you cant just up and stop using them.

 

I agree, we do "need" them. I don't think its their invention that's bad, just how they're made and used. The car was an awesome idea! i mean, it saves horses from having to pull us, and is convinient. Cars weren't a bad idea; we just need to learn how to utilize them properly (carpooling, hybrids, etc.) and not abuse our power of them.

 

Mellow Yellow,

That's funny about what you said; "So Gore can claim his climate change campaign worked!". LOL My, AL GORE must be good, his campaign might only take a few years (according to NASA'S SOLAR PHYSICS studies) to work! He must be a GOD, or have a "MAGIC WAND" hiding somewhere (hopefully, it's not up his ass)!

Of course, he is supposedly associated with "THE NINE" (which is "channeled" information from "THE NINE" MAIN EGYPTIAN GODS)! EGYPTIAN MYSTERY SCHOOLS - FREEMASONS? We just have to ELECT him PRESIDENT! OPPS! He's NOT RUNNING in 2008! However, he's a DEADHEAD, and "seems" COOL on TV?

Plus, you mention: "And the big irony is initially cars were sold to us as a means to increase our freedom." Yes, this is true!

A thought that just "popped into my head" (spirit guides? HIGHER-SELF?) is that cars offer us a much quicker form of transportation over: walking, bicycling, horses or horse and buggies (carriages). In other words, it's a real TIME-SAVER!

How long would it take YOU to WALK to CALIFORNIA, and back? TOO LONG!!! By car, it's ALOT FASTER, and SAVES a HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME, to explore other avenues, like sports, hobbies, scientific advancements, spiritual evolution, arts, entertainment and other forms of CULTURE! In the ANCIENT TIMES, too much time was spent in TRANSPORTATION! Even JESUS had to WALK, or RIDE A MULE!!!

The INVENTION of the AUTOMOBILE, increased OUR PERSONAL FREEDOMS, plus SAVED ALOT TIME to CREATE more SCIENTIFIC INVENTIONS, and/or EXPLORE SPIRITUAL TRUTHS, further!!! With FREE ENERGY and ANTI-GRAVITY DRIVE, it would even be an even better INVENTION! Unless we "evolved" to the next spiritual level, and they wouldn't be needed!

You also mention that our POLICE-STATE SYSTEM, is trying to reduce our PERSONAL FREEDOMS, that the invention of the AUTOMOBLE gave us. Future AUTOMOBILE LICENSE PLATES may contain a MICRO-CHIP, that COULD be used to SATELLITE TRACK your auto!!! Maybe now??? I just got my new "plates"? UH OH!!! Where's my POWERFUL MAGNET! That'll mess it up!

Some newer cars MAY contain a "BLACK BOX" (similar to the COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT models) that records your DRIVING DATA, that could be analyzed (if your car is involved in an accident)??? Even better is the *ON STAR* system (via SATELLITE SYSTEM). THEY could POTENTIALLY listen in, on your PRIVATE car conversations!

Some say that the *ON STAR* system CONTROLS your door locks and BRAKING SYSTEM (maybe STEERING SYSTEM) and that *ON STAR* could totally disable your car, so that YOU can't drive it! THEY could kill you, by locking your doors and controlling the brakes and /or steering on a mountain-side, thus causing a FATAL ACCIDENT!!!

Basically, *ON STAR* is an excellant idea, IF you are in trouble along the road, and REAL HELP arrives! Plus, if someone STEALS your car, it could be "disabled" by *ON STAR*, BUT "control-freaks" ABUSE this excellant idea, with their BIG BROTHER (1884) beliefs and actions!

Cars were initially sold as a means of PERSONAL TRANSPORTATION FREEDOM, however, HENRY FORD met MUCH RESISTANCE from "the POWERS THAT BE", when he tried to MASS MANUFACTURE and sell his new invention. because it would "upset the applecart" by interfering with the ECONOMIC STABILITY, that brought much comforts, through it!

And "HERE"S THE REST OF THE STORY" (as PAUL HARVEY would say):

- Model T Magnetic Engine - 04/06/97 -

"Please understand that this is just an intriguing 'spook story' at this point. It is not being presented as fact, but as it was told to me and I thought you'd also like to read about it."

"When automobiles were first being developed, there was serious competition between the various inventors vying to be first to market and in a big way. The vested interests didn't want automobiles because it would change their world, requiring them to alter their business stance or adapt to a new world where competition would run rampant. Competition means hard work to stay even or get ahead of the pack, so life is easier when crystalized and fixed. The comfort zones were well established and would be maintained anyway they could.

The first year Model Ts built by Ford had a special flywheel and housing that was said to have been designed by John Worrel Keely and sold to Henry Ford. Ford bought the design as a form of insurance because of all of the harassment he was getting from vested interests not wanting to see him succeed. After 20,000 to 30,000 cars went out, Ford was threatened by oil and gas interests trying to coerce him to shut down production. It was not made clear who these forces were or why they were trying to put Ford out of business.

After the first year of manufacturing Model Ts, efforts were renewed to shut down Ford. At this point, Ford gave THEM an ultimatum, either leave he and his family alone or he would send every Model T owner a set of cow magnets that fit in special slots that were cut into the bell housings on the first year run of cars. This bell housing was cast into the engine block and not a seperate unit as on modern vehicles.

The flywheels were the hand cranked units having Vee magnets. They were magnetos that when cranked, moved the magnets past a coil to produce a very high voltage/current to spark the plugs. It produced a vicious spark. Once the cow magnets were placed in the slots, the hand crank was turned and the flywheel would spin on its own generating up to 40 HP and completely self running. You had to get the flywheel spinning to a minimum rpm before the magnetic drive effect would take place.

Ford told his opponenets that all Model T owners would then be running their cars for FREE, not requiring gasoline or other fuel. And that the principle could be copied and applied to all machinery. Once Ford's opposing forces verified the truth in this, they instantly ceased all attempts at intimidating Ford and his company succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

My contact said there were three fellows who got wind of this story several years ago. They secured a first-run Model T and found it did indeed have strange slots on the bell housing. Magnets were inserted and when they cranked it, the flywheel bgean to spin on its own. Based on this iniitial verifying experiment, they eventually produce a 40hp version which was self-running, using the same magneto system.

A demonstration was scheduled in a larger city and two of the men drove the protoytpe to a demonstration, the third man was ill and could not attend. The demonstration went off without a hitch and was enthusiastically received. Plans and contracts were made for dupliating the protoype for further tests that would be followed by marketing.

As the two men were driving home late that evening with their protoype, their vehicle was run off of the road. The next day, their vehicle was found over turned, both bodies lying in a ditch with their throats slit and the prototype was gone.

The third man who was too ill to attend the demonstration packed up everything and went into hiding. Word is, the man is still alive, very paranoid, yet he not given up on the principle and has even gone further in his development of the principle."

LINK: www.keelynet.com/energy/ford.htm

GOOD DAY!!!

I grew up in the Metro Detroit SUBURBS, and lived in this area ALL OF MY LIFE (except for about 9 months in TEMPE, ARIZONA, when I attended one year at Arizona State University - GO SUN DEVILS!!!). My dad was an ELECTRICAL ENGINEER (EXECUTIVE LEVEL) at CHRYSLER CORPORATION, plus most of my relatives worked for THE BIG THREE. I've worked for many AUTOMOTIVE SUPPLIERS. I even worked for a small company that was designing a "FUEL-EFFICIENT, THROTTLE-BODY, FUEL-INJECTION SYSTEM" (to save gas). I even met the GRANDSON of HARVEY FIRESTONE (JOHN?)!!! Uh, OHH!! The BIG BOYS are sent!!! To "buy up" and "cover-up"???

The AUTOMOBILE ENGINEERS KNOW about CARBURETORS that can get 100-200 MPG, for example: The 216.8 MPG (72-86% EFFICIENT) "POGUE" CARBURETOR (supposedly used on AMERICAN WWII TANKS) and about FREE ENERGY ENGINES, but AREN'T PERMITTED to use them by "THE POWERS THAT BE". DON'T BLAME THE AUTOMOBILE ENGINEERS!!!

"KEEP ON TRUCKIN'" (WITH "MR. NATURAL") - INTO A PEACEFULL AND HARMONIOUS FUTURE!!!

 

I walk pretty much every where and my dad rides his bike every day to work
Peace

 

Somehow it doesn't surprise me that alternative sustainable technologies have been suppressed since the model T, it all comes down to whose best interests are at stake, it's the nature of capitalism. There's nothing worse than pissing off the big dogs by coming up with a brilliant idea that'll put them out of business, and once a technology (or a war for that matter) becomes an economy unto itself, it becomes extremely difficult to abandon.

A lot of newer cars have those black boxes. I've heard of a case in which the data obtained from a black box was used to prosecute someone for speeding at the scene of an accident, despite the fact that the physical evidence proved otherwise. It's scary to think that the data could be WRONG, and yet it's admissable as evidence in a court of law.

 

This is why I will never buy a new car. Seen any junkyards lately? There are THOUSANDS, maybe millions of older cars which are still very useful. There seem to be several different ways to alter these older cars to run differently than they are "supposed to", thus being able to create far more "environmentally friendly" vehicles with much less waste, and not supporting the polluting auto industry which would create thousands of new and extremely expensive "hybrids", complete with all their spying features and special doodads that cannot even BE worked on by a backyard mechanic because of their complexity, and that most people can not afford anyhow without becoming slaves to the "system". The day they tell me I CAN'T drive my old car is the day I WILL go back to the horse and buggies.