Sure death is a part of life Tamee, but cruel and unjustified death is quite another story. Like Stalin starving millions in the eastern USSR and Pol Pot murdering people who wore glasses. Communism gave the government complete control over the people under the guise of the common good, and dictators took care of things from there (because leadership exists). One needent look far to find what true communism was actually all about; those who defend it are lost without reason.
A centralized government (regardless of ideology) always murders, always exploits. Genocide is genocide. Do not forget that millions upon millions of innocent people have been slaughtered under the capitalists' supposedly noble banner of "fighting Communism".
Well, I must admit to delinquincy as communal forums moderator on this thread - I was so not interested in the subject that I never read it and so never realized that this does not belong here - Please take political idealogy to another forum - mainly the political forum - unfotunately only members can post there and that means a certain number of posts may be deleted when I transfer this post so I am leaving a copy of it here - but locked so that political idealogical conversations can be continued out of a forum dedicated to communal living. And no offense intended to any
Hi oldwolf, Our Communal Forum is exactly where a discussion on Communism is MOST relevant. Old Communards like myself live these political ideologies every day of our Communal lives. To say that we don't, is to deny the very essence of our Communal experience and inspiration. Otherwise there would be no differece between what inspires Mainstreamers, and what inspires those of us who live and share Communally. The Folks here on the Politics Forum rarely if ever experience Communism on a personal level, and few would ever dream of sharing Communally. And those who don't share Communally, can only discuss Communism as a mere abstraction, lacking any immediacy with their everyday personal lives. oldwolf, I do understand what you must have thought when you read through the many posts of this thread. Because in all honesty, none of the posts revealed any understanding of the direct connection between what motivated us to become Communards and Marx's dialectical annalysis of materialism in human culture. Yet that annalysis today is a corner-stone in Sociological and Anthropological studies world-wide, and has a direct connection with every Communal environment even conservative Christian cults. And let's face it, I doubt if many of those who did post actually share and experience Communal lives to begin with. oldwolf, at least you inspired me to finally post on this thread which I have been intending to do for weeks. I love ya bro, even when I think your being impulsive.
I just don't find communism as a feasible ideal. It's not that it's bad idea, hell it sounds awesome. But you have to factor in human instincts, and the lack of incentive to try harder. It basically comes down too the fact that the modern world is too caught up in it's deal to try.
communism sounds awesome? you think its awesome to stand in a ration line for two hours just to get your hands on some socks or toilet paper! In a communist society you can work your ass off and not get anywhere (unless you are in the military or government). In our society you can try (using your brain) just a little bit and get pretty far. So I dont know what your'e trying to get at here.
I said that it sounds nice, but as it turns out it isn't. If everyone could have everything and there was no rationing it would be ideal. But like i said greed and logic get in the way.
M6M, T'was not a word in any of the posts 'bout communal living - and communism =/Not communal. Political idealogy is carried on in appropriate forums - If they were applying it to communes there could be an excuse to keep it in communal forum - but looking at the facts ....
oldwolf, Communism is totally about Communal life and nothing else. Communism is based on a scientific annalysis of the forces against Communal living, and a scientific method to create a Communal life in the face of these anti-Communal forces. The fact that the previous posts were unable to make the connection is an important revelation in a Communal Forum, because it reveals the weakness of our Collective Communal understanding. Far from denying our collective weakness, we need to annalyze this weakness in a Communal context. We need to allow all possible fears and objections to a dialectical annalysis of our Communal potential to come out into the light of day, post after post. Tamee's spirited if intuitive defense of Communism's defense of Communal sharing was inspiring. But so were those posts expressing fears and objections inspiring. In as much as they expose how little we understand our own Communal experiece.
