My eyes playing tricks on me?

Ok so now that I know your boundaries, I now know how to test you. You say you can do readings? Would you mind doing a reading for me? Anything you pick up on with me? If you're right, I swear I'll tell you. I wouldn't be an asshole and say your wrong. If you're right, I'll instantly reconsider my entire standpoint on psychics and I'll flat out apologize for being so harsh.

Also, I know what you mean about having certain experiences that you know are psychic. Maybe you were thinking about your friend calling you, and then all of a sudden the phone rang. This could be psychic, but since that doesn't usually happen, it's bound to happen sooner or later, you know? Eventually, you're going to be thinking about you friend when he calls. It's BOUND to happen. I'm sorry, but if you give it real deep thought, with ego set aside, I guarantee you'll find another explanation, or you'll find that it's all in your head.

So now...about that reading...

 

I don't think you quite understand my boundaries yet. Here is a quote from a note I wrote to mara-aum to help clarify my boundaries:

Let me tell you a brief story about someone else's abilities, which incidentally shows something about my experiences:

This person I call "Emily" was standing outside with me in front of her office building at break time. I had my back to the wall. Her coworker "Lori" was standing next to me on my left, and Emily stood in front of me and slightly to my right, facing me. At one point in the conversation I made a remark that was kind of a sly jab. I don't remember what I said, but it was meant in fun. Emily replied with something that sounded like she was genuinely pissed. In my mind--telepathically--I asked her, "Are you trying to start a fight?" Immediately Lori walked away and went inside the building. Emily glanced at my face, then slowly came and stood close to me where Lori had been. She said in a low voice, so nobody else could hear, "No, we're not trying to start a fight."

Another brief story involving Emily. One time she and I were having an e-mail conversation, and she mentioned that her father had been a middle school teacher before he retired. Telepathically I asked her, "What subject did he teach?" She answered me telepathically, "History." Neither of us said a word about this telepathic exchange in the e-mail. Later that day I saw her in person at break time. I wanted confirmation, so out loud I asked her, "So, what subject did your father teach?" She replied out loud, "History." Just to solidify this confirmation, I said out loud, "That's what you told me this morning!" She looked at me with a facial expression that said, "Duh!" and out loud she said, "Yeah!"

Here is what happened the first time we talked about our telepathic conversations. I wrote her an e-mail asking if she would meet me outside at break time, and she sent an e-mail saying she would. When I got to the front of her building, she wasn't there. Telepathically I asked her, "Are you coming down?" Telepathically she replied, "I'll be out soon. I need to talk to some people." She came out a couple minutes later, came and stood with me, and said out loud, "I was in a meeting." Out loud I said, "I talk to you in my mind. Do you hear me?" She nodded, and said out loud, "I was telling you I was coming out soon."

These experiences just scratch the surface. I could tell you lots more that clearly go far beyond coincidence.

Now, about the reading. First of all, I don't know if I can do a reading for you. The two successful readings I've done have been under circumstances where I was very relaxed, because it was just for fun. I told myself that if I didn't do so hot, it was no big deal, I could just write it off and practice some more with other people. If I do a reading for you, I won't be able to escape the stress of having to "prove" something. I don't do too well with getting psychic impressions in order to prove something. Second, if I did a psychic reading and I was way off, it seems to me you would try to tell me that it "proved" that I have no psychic ability. But that would clearly be incorrect, based on my years of other experiences. MY explanation would be that it didn't prove I wasn't psychic, it merely proved that the spirits didn't want you to have any proof. You can't treat psychic ability like a physical property that you can weigh or measure. Psychic ability is primarily a spiritual phenomenon. When it happens, it happens for spiritual purposes, because the spirits want to accomplish something with it. You're dealing not with physical properties, but rather with entities who have motivations for allowing or NOT allowing certain things to occur. This is why it's pointless to try to pass your test or Randi's test. I'm just about 100% sure that if I went to James Randi and set up a test with him, I would fail. And then I would go home and get on the psychic forum and accurately predict that somebody was going to, I dunno, maybe trip on a stairway and injure themselves, like I did once with my wife. The bottom line for me is that the only way I'll even consider doing a reading for you is if you give up all notions that it's going to prove or disprove anything. Even then, I'm really not too enthusiastic about the idea of giving you a reading. It just feels wrong to me.

 

Honestly-and I'm not trying to prove anything- I've had a lot of similar experiances. I can practically replicate the psychic phenomena just using my brain. I can pay extremely close attention to body gestures, posture, facial expressions, and the look in their eye to tell what they're thinking. I can do it so easily and so often that people think I'm psychic. It's really weird.

Say I asked someone what subject they teach in school. They could be thinking "History" and I would be able to physically read it on their body. I think that when you think of certain words, it stimulates certain areas of the brain and lights up certain bodily behaviors. That's what I believe the psychic phenomena is. You may be subconscious of it, but your telepathy is the ability the read subtle physical bodily changes. I got so good at this that I realized that it wasn't telepathy, just phsycial stuff.


The stuff about the e-mails might just be coincidence or guessing. Happens all the time. I really am looking forward to that reading though...There's some stuff going on in my life now and I would like to see what a psychic has to say. This isn't a challenge-you can read me if you feel up to it, or you don't have to at all. All your choice.

 

All of you guys are just fakes, because if you weren't you wouldn't bother arguing a point everyday. So just go and get a real job you psychic wannabes

 

wildchild, it seems to me that you're frustrated by the complications you see. You'd like the universe to be simple--but it's not. Have you ever read about quantum mechanics? Have you ever studied Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? I have. The universe is not simple. And abusing us for not simplifying it for you will not make it simpler.

I have a real job. I've had real jobs for the last 32 years. I've supported a family of seven kids on my income alone. I'm a real person, and a contributing member of society. I have a degree in biochemistry, I've been employed as a research lab technician, a med/tech writer, a computer programmer, and a business analyst. For a few years, I was a consultant getting paid more than the director of the state agency that employed me. If I listed the companies I've worked for, you would undoubtedly recognize the names of several of them. And I have been a psychic explorer since the age of 11, and I have found that the universe is not simple, no matter how much you'd like it to be.

If you want to explore pyschic phenomena, eventually, like it or not, you're going to run right into spirits. It's the spirits that control our universe, not humans, not "random chance." You can fight it as much as you want. Eventually you're going to need to just give up and face it, the same way I did.

The reason I argue is because I have learned some things, and I'm not going to just stand by while somebody tries to convince me of something I know is not true. If you have some reasonable arguments based on your own experiences that refute any of my statements, then please try to calmly present them. Your emotional outbursts don't prove or disprove anything that has been said here.

 

When I had the e-mail exchange, I wasn't guessing, and it wasn't coincidence. The word "history" appeared distinctly and unmistakably in my mind. I wasn't thinking about history--I wasn't thinking anything at all--the word "history" just came to me out of nowhere.

Sometimes my "mental friends" use words in an appropriate context that I'm not sure about the meaning of. For example, one time I was trying to think of a word to describe Emily's figure, and in my mind she suddenly said, "Sylph." I hate to admit it, since I pride myself on my vocabulary, but the fact is I had to look this word up in the dictionary, because I wasn't sure of its meaning.

How about this little story:

When I was first getting emotionally involved with my wife, before we were married, we were separated by 2000 miles, and our only means of communication was e-mail and telephone.

One time, I was talking to her on the phone, and I was immersed in the sound of her voice, and suddenly part of me was inside her head, looking out through her eyes. I interrupted her and said, "Are you pacing?" She said, "Yes." I said, "And do you have the phone on your left ear, and are you gesturing with your right hand while you're talking?" She said, "Yeah--how did you know that?"

Another time we were talking on the phone, and she expressed disappointment that I seemed to have psychic experiences, and she didn't. I decided that I wanted to give her a psychic experience. So when we were saying goodbye, I told her I was hugging her in my mind, and she joined me in imagining this. And I wanted her to feel me in her arms, and it became so real that frankly I got sexually excited, and started to think she could feel the evidence of my excitement, and suddenly she said, "Wow!" I asked her why she said that, and she said she was imagining hugging me, and it felt so real that she suddenly felt the physical evidence of my excitement...

Yeal: What more do I need to say? You keep trying to explain these things away as having some "rational," physical explanation. Why? Really, Yeal: Why? Why is it so important to you to have a "rational" explanation? Is it not permissible for the universe to be based on something you don't understand and can't measure? Why? Why can't you just let the universe be what it is, and try to learn about the reality of it as well as is humanly possible? This is what I have done, and my conclusion after 43 years of observation and study is that there is such a thing as psychic phenomena that can't be explained by any physical phenomena that science has so far discovered. Is it possible that science may eventually discover a physical basis for psychic phenomena? Maybe...I'm not saying it can't happen. However the explanations that you're proposing don't make sense in the light of my personal experiences. I believe that it's more complicated than you're trying to make it.

Has science always known about quarks? Has science always known about the bending of light by gravity? Of course not--science is an evolving body of knowledge and theories, and there is soooooooo much left in the universe for science to discover--how can we possibly know what's to come in the field of scientific knowledge? The universe is a very big place, and we're very, very small, and the scientific method has only existed for--well, let's be generous, and say 300 years, okay? A fraction of a second in the eternity of time. As a close friend of mine said when I was only a few year older than you: "There are no final truths, so we need to settle for intermediate truths."

Yeal: MAYBE you have some genuine psychic experiences. I can allow for the possibility that a lot of what you experience is based on your sensitivity to nuances of facial expression. Certainly we as humans are extremely attuned to body language and facial expressions at a subconscious level. But you're carrying this to such an extreme that you really seem to be grasping at straws. How many stories do I need to tell you before the likelihood of these things being coincidence starts to seem unlikely? Forty-three years, Yeal. I can tell you story after story. I am not a stupid person. I have a degree in biochemistry. I've been thoroughly trained in the scientific method. In spite of someone responding out loud to my unspoken thoughts for MONTHS, I kept thinking and thinking: Was this something that could be explained by coincidence or the biases of my own beliefs? Month after month, Yeal, year after year--and finally I had to conclude that this person was truly reading my mind. And eventually I learned to communicate telepathically with her, and eventually with others.

Maybe I can do that reading...maybe. I still don't feel the time is right.

 

Yes, but when you start getting these feelings all the time, it's more than just coincidence.

I have one of the most developed intuition you'll ever see, the only problem, is I have trouble believing myself, my logic and reasoning sometimes stands in the way, and I have alot of self doubt, if only I could let it all go and trust myself 100%.

 

When you can walk into a room of 6+ people and acquire their perspectives and feelings right away, it's more than just being able to pick up subtle gestures.

^speaking about me

 

It certainly doesn't help when you're in an environment where somebody is challenging you, ridiculing you, and demanding proof any time you open your mouth. I made a lot of progress on this forum in my psychic abilities over the last year. It was a supportive place where I felt encouraged to stick my neck out and try new things without fear of taunting and ridiculing. I no longer feel that way, and I might need to go somewhere else to find that kind of environment again so I can continue making progress.

 

wow--real profound. your eloquence moved me to the core.

i have a "real" job.

 

ha ha Yeal that's so funny.... you're right on..... I guess the "good energy spirits" appear after you look at a flash when a picture is taken, lol.