Do you ever see the 60's making a comeback?

I was responding to the topic of the thread in general, not specifically to your posts.

Why do you think, only your thoughts and opinions should matter?
You didn't even start this thread.

Don't get your panties in a twirl now.

 

As to The 60s ever making a comeback, well, history has been known to repete itself.. but I can hardly think that it could ever be the same. Hopefully we have come further in our evelution as human beings and would be better equipted to handle the issues that we face today, in unity.

Back then we didn't have the instant, mass communication networks, like Hip Forums and other venues of reaching the people. Music has always been a tool to convey the feeelings of the youth as they embrace adulthood, and their love or discontentment.

The music of today seems to have a savagery about it, like a hungery beast waiting to devour. It's not about love, peace and unity any more. To many senthietic drugs, or bathtub drugs that really screw up the brain and strip you of your soul.

I believe, you have to find YOUR peace, your own peace inside, then when you have found it, share it with others. Just smiling at someone is a start, even just a simple hello to your neighbor, extending a hand of friendship and comradery.

I do not believe The Burn Down the City attitude is the right plan of action..too vauge to be realistic. We cannot just blow it up and be rid of it.. there are too many details that are flawed. Like the people on life support that depend on the system to stay alive. or the old people/babies that cannot survive the elements. I would also wonder about the sanitation if there were not a clean water system in place.. even Well water has contaminates, Enebas,Protazoans,Giardia etc.

We all know there needs to be changes in the system of things, but to just go loco and ravage cicvilization is not the answer. There has to be agreement with everyone, everyone has to agree or there will be mass murders, suisides and death everywhere.

There's ones like myself that Believe there will be a mass consciousness change, where it will come to everyone at the same time and there will be a gentle peace that covers the earth like a blanket of love softly embracing us all. It will not come from War.. and burning down the city is warfare.

Becoming the walk and not the talk is a true changing point, with everyone at least agreeing the need for change is becoming the walk. We are heading in the right direction, the 60s did that, I doubt however that is will be the same occurence as the 60s, as we have evolved 40 some years now, I do hope we have made some progress from what little we knew back then. I hope we are smarter then we were in the 60s, I hope we taught our children what the 60s were about.

I don't believe it will ever be the same bc we are not the same. People change as they grow, to not grow is to be stagnat and unclear.

We should prepare ourselves before we rip it down. Prepare ourselves to survive if it does come tumbling down. If we smiply lay down, we will be envaded and put in camps, if you want to call that communal living.

I hope we learn from our past mistakes and are not doomed to repete them. We did some good and we did advance in many ways. At least we got the message out there. At least we did make an effort.

I hope also that the young people will make a difference and as we elvolve we will have the peace and unity we all seek. They are our future.

BTW, my ideas are not the totality of anything we all have our opinions and beliefs, yours may vary from mine and you are intitled to your opinion, and contributions as well. (just trying to get the thread back on topic).

Bright Blessings
sh

 

Littlefoot wrote
<<<You are talking about very superficial things. Cosmetics. We need fundamental changes.

At the heart of the cultural revolution of the 60's was the clear perception that the System,
this system, was fundamentally flawed. That we needed to create a new and
different civilization.

Most of the hippies never got beyond the cosmetic stage, but many thousands of us
did. I spent about 9 years on a commune that became about 95% independent of
the mainstream economy. There were many others. We had essentially seceded
from America. We were walking our talk.

Our mistake was in believing that this was a free country. We should have known
that it was necessary to go underground, to camouflage our activities from the
Americans. Since we were stupid, America destroyed our movment. And it was
the Left as well as the Right that were behind that destruction. Both are heavily
invested in the status quo, fine words and noble ideals aside.

Now, there are people who have learned from our mistakes back then, and are trying
again.

But they aren't concerned with clothes or music or mere words. That's sub-cultural,
not counter-cultural.

Littlefoot>>>>





I understand what your talking about Littlefoot, but my question is geared towards those that keep saying they want to bring the 60's back. I was trying to sum up "cultural change" in the broad definition of "hippie beliefs". My questions is - are they gearing for a replica of the 60's (again the cosmetics that go along with that generation, their beliefs, their music), or are they simply searching for any positive movement that implements the good parts of the ideals and beliefs of the 60's era hippie only in a whole new direction.

Again the reason i say this is because i dont feel any of the beliefs and idealism of that time has ever truly gone away, and for the most part it wasnt new at that time either, it was just much more open and accessible and preached (and lived) by more ppl. as someone pointed out earlier in this thread (the romantic period), while it may not be the hippie scene we speak of, cultural change, uprising, artistic expression, etc... was all part of it. generations and movements like this have gone on through history, and they will continue to happen again, so i ask are they wanting the next movement to begin, or are they gearing towards the cosmetic aspects of the hippie movement?

would everyone be content with a movement that is rising up against a system they disagree with, preaching out against the war, preaching acceptance, if say, at the head of this movement it was fueled by rap music? if their style of choice for this movement was baggy jeans and long white tee's with fitted hats. lsd wasnt the drug of choice - instead alcohol, cocaine, and blunts? so many ppl fixate on the 60's, so what is it that really does it for everyone? the style or the substance?

im not trying to put down want anyone wants, but ive seen this time and time again over the years. before i got to high school, i played the role 100% of a hippie, i did the drugs, preached the ideas, wore the fashion, had dreadlocks, as did many of my friends. got older around the time i became a sophomore in high school, i cut my hair, all my clothes were expensive preppy clothes from the cool stores in the mall, real big into playing sports. didnt look the role at all anymore, still listened to the music, still did the drugs, and had the beliefs, but i didn't look the role anymore. i was still friends with my old friends but i was closer to my new friends as i was now mr. popular, to sum it up. my popular friends and i helped out with charities, donated our time to those in need, planted trees on earth day, etc.. now it might have been all for show with them and to look better for colleges, but what did my old hippie friends do? nothing, they still preached the same stuff attended rallies, and slogans on t-shirts, but they gave nothing of themselves to make anything better.

even today, im almost done with med school, i drive a mercedes, i wear name brands, but i still have the same beliefs as i did then, im still the same me, i dont however consider myself a hippie (i just happen to be into a lot of things hippies are into), and if you saw me you wouldnt think of me as being a hippie either. i do however donate much of my FREE TIME to charities and humanitarian efforts, ive participated in "doctors without borders" for quite same time, went to N.O. to help after Katrina, registered thousands of ppl to vote, driven ppl to polling places in the past, i do my best to make the world better in other words. however when i go to shows, and festivals, and gatherings, and see friends and general ppl there that fit the mould and consider themselves hippies and want to relive the past and talk about going to anti war rallies, and the likes. they preach to their friends, etc... but their not doing anything else, it appears to me like most (not all) are style over substance.

damn, sorry this went on so long, and im really not trying to generalize ppl, im speaking from what ive seen tho, and im curious as to the take that others have on it.

 

Hey mephime, I can relate.
In my book, the 60's revolution was rejecting parts of the establishment that one didn't like or didn't work and accepting, taking/modifying those parts that one liked or worked.

I pity the poor bastard that lived all his life in a "hippie" commune with nothing to show, but pieces of a broken idealism, but have the most respect for the "hippie" who attended Woodstock '69, had a great time, moved on, got his college education, and built a solid future for his own family, yet never lost and lived the idealism of the 60's.

One was dumb enough to get stuck in the idealism, the other was bright and smart enough to know that idealism without hard work, is just another form of wishful thinking and self-deception.

 

The best of all worlds is the person who accomplished all that and STILL continued on as a hippy

 

The point of a commune is not to get more possessions... a commune surviving from back then is an example of a way of life, one they wish to live. Thats a major success for anyone... possesions aren't the path to happiness...

 

Thank You. Best of all to be someone who is ultimately HAPPY. Communal life can be THE goal, rather than school and money. And in order for a commune to work well, the right ideals must be there and shared by everyone.

And generally those who have tried or still do live a communal life are doing it as an ALTERNATIVE to the 9-to-5-go-to-college-drive-a-new-hybrid-car-and make-a-bunch-of-money crowd...

 

And who was this theoretical hippie supposed to be impressing? Perhaps the happiest of all is the one who has NOTHING at all but the knowledge that he has lived as much a part of earth and love as possible. One cannot make a go of communal life without HARD WORK. It is hard enough to simply get along well with a group of others on a daily basis. To say nothing of the actual physical work involved in making the commune thrive.

Goals of college and money-wealth and all the trappings can be seen as superficial, like someone wearing lots of makeup. But that's what some folks DO. And SOME folks would disrespect someone who lived THAT lifestyle. I'm not sure it's possible to LIVE that lifestyle and retain the "hippie ideals"... Part of "hippie ideals" is to be environmentally friendly and not buy so much into the capitolist ideologies (the system)...

 

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I'm not sure it's possible to LIVE that lifestyle and retain the "hippie ideals"... Part of "hippie ideals" is to be environmentally friendly and not buy so much into the capitolist ideologies (the system)...




so you mean to tell me that someone who goes and gets the education and the background to bring their ideas to the mainstream and live the life they choose can't be following "hippie ideals"? in order to properly follow "hippie ideals", you have to seclude yourself from society, basically totalling alienating yourself from the rest of the world and being able to live your live with total independence of the outside world is the only way to maintain "hippie values"? so what exactly were hippies protesting for back in the 60's, if they were just going to completely dissociate themselves from everyone else?

not trying to be a smart ass, it just seems like your saying anyone who goes to college and becomes successful must not be following hippie ideals, and if this is the case - what is a hippie then? someone that completely drops out of society to live their own independent lifestyle? then why is there a hippie forum on the internet? please let me know if im understanding you correctly or not.

 

Really?
Then, why not get rid even of your personal computer.
Why even bother posting on this website, if nothing and having no possessions will make one the happiest of all?

I haven't found too many homeless people expound on the virtues of homelessness, pennilessness, and virtually living on the street, exposed to crime and the elements and whose possessions consists of nothing more than a few odd belongings on a shopping cart.

Happy is the man who is smart or wise enough to use his natural talent and ability to rise beyond barely surviving on a subsistence level and perhaps, even to be able to use his wealth and talent to help other people, including caring for the environment.

 

I think the reason they use the internet is to open peoples' eyes. How else is anyone else going to adapt a simple life unless they learn about it first? I only realized recently that material possesions do not make you happy, but I'm glad I did realize this before I'm on my own in this world.

Littlefoot, I just don't understand how there are still existing communal societes in the United States and are independent from the economy. How do they avoid property taxes?

 

<<<I just don't understand how there are still existing communal societes in the United States and are independent from the economy. How do they avoid property taxes?



they are definately still around not saying 100% indie, but close to it. as far as the property taxes, i dont think their all staying away for paying taxes their just located in places that are far out of the way and on junk land where the property taxes are basically nothing and in some cases nothing. i'd imagine some even operate under tax exempt status.

 

(picture taken in '67)

Time moves on: all of life is in constant motion. That is the nature of existence.



However.. the Burning Man Festival is the closest thing that I’ve seen to a Love In since 1967.

 

Absolutely! Material possessions alone do not make a person happy. In fact, happiness is found within, and not in the external attachments alone.

However, material possessions allow us to make choices. Hopefully, allowing us to make better, more enlightened decisions in how to lead our lives, be more productive, care for the world, etc.

For example, if it were not for a material possession such as this personal computer, how else could I have found this wonderful website.

 

True that...the only material possesions I could never give up is my guitar and probably my ipod.

 

it sounds a lot like lots of the people here are younger than could have lived in the late 60s and early 70s (like me).I think the most important thing is the fact that people are asking that question.as long as people want it the spirit of the 60s is still around.all we need to do is get moving...

 

im 15 live in NY i hope the 60's does make a comeback im actually trying to get something together evrytone these days is so fucking depersonalized and technocracy has taken over. if u take a look around most of the people look the same and are all arrogant and areny really open. i mean we shudnt go against those who went against authority shud wee?