Do you ever see the 60's making a comeback?

you're making a lot of assumptions here. And also being very rude and hateful. You're making statements without any proof and attacking me for no reason. I never said I was against the soldiers; I'm against war, and anyone with half a brain would feel the same. It sounds to me like you're assuming that because the US has supposedly "needed" war in the past, it always will. WRONG. And THAT, my friend, is close mindedness.
And you can try to give me a guilt trip all you want, MAN. I have no blood on my hands... are you one of those crazy christians who assume that everyone is a sinner? Sorry, I know how I'm living my life, and I've done nothing wrong. I've also done nothing to deserve your rudeness or verbal abuse. I have not once insulted, attacked, or hurt you, yet you chose to attack me, and assume I'm a guy even, lol
It seems to me you have a lot of rage and anger built up in you, and I'm sorry for that, I really am. I actually do massage and would love to help you out. Some people, like you, FIGHT, and some people like me, HEAL.
Pretend that I am different? Everyone is different and unique and has every right to hold their beliefs.
You keep saying you'll respect me if I do this, that, etc. But the fact is, you don't know me. And you make assumptions. I'm going purely off your behaivor, which says to me you're a very hateful, angry, rageful person.
I don't know why you feel you have to insult me and make assumptions about me. Perhaps you've run out of arguments, and you're just very angry.
and to that my friend, I say this:

CHILL
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You make a compelling argument, though you come across as bitter and cynical.

Earlier you said, “I refused to go to Vietnam. But I also moved to a 'commune' that was
about 95% materially self-sufficient.” I applaud you for that. I never joined a commune, though I visited a couple, one of which tried to be self-sufficient. It failed because the people there had no farming experience and the crops they grew ranged from fair to poor. Sadly, this was the fate of most communes of the sixties.

Yes we support the corporations, but the corporations have made us dependent on them. How long would the average American last if forced to grow, gather or hunt for his own food? Build his own shelter or make his own clothes? These are skills that have been lost for generations. I’m just as guilty as anyone, perhaps more so. My mother had a large garden in our back yard where she grew vegetables, but I wasn’t interested in it. I had an uncle who was a carpenter and I could have gone to work for him building houses, but again I wasn’t interested. I had other choices.

In America there are more players of World of Warcraft than there are farmers. It’s strange but if the system collapses, the people in the third world might come out of it best since they’re more self-sufficient than those of us on top of the heap.

 

the one thing i don't get, is what are the terrorists problems. I mean why do they need to crash air planes and kill a lot of innocent people. I mean what the hell have we done to them, if we have done anything bad to them ? and also I don't want to be rude but I totally disagree with littlefoot, the economy could still work without war, the money use to buy weapons for war, could be used to feed the hungry people, all the wars are doing is showing little kids that it is ok to kill people, even the news talks about gang memebers killing women, old men, other kids that come in to the alley and all kinds of shit like that, but in my opinion it is wrong, and all of you on here can disagree with me but thats ok, you all have your own opinions. I hope i haven't run off topic?



much love and peace to all of you

 

I am neither. I just don't cut psuedo-progressives any slack. Talk is cheap.

It was a very diverse movement. Many communes failed because they knew
what they were against but not what they were for. Many failed because
the Straights shut them by enforcing Building, Health, and Safety Codes,
which couldn't, and can't, be obeyed by anyone trying to live a truly
progressive lifestyle.

We are the corporations. We are the consumers, the workers, and
the investors. We made and maintain them.

True. Yet all those skills can be learned in a remarkably short time.
You can make a very good life living directly from the land.
As long as you ignore most of the "experts" who want you to believe
that you can live a minor variation of your current lifestyle and
are usually merchants in disguise.

That was then, this is now.

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That's quite true.

LIttlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

If we could fix the world just by claiming that we aren't a part of the problem,
the world wouldn't need any fixing.

Talk is cheap.

And my-oh-my, you are a real windbag.

Littlefoot

 

hey man i have a question, why do you have to call people windbags ? just curious.


much love

 

I don't call people windbags. I called that person a windbag.
You won't find an example of me calling anyone else a windbag anywhere
that I can recall.

Why do you accuse people of doing things they don't do?

Just curious.

I called HIM a windbag because that's the way he was behaving:
He wants to pretend that he isn't a part of the problem (we all are)
and was pumping out hot air by the truckload to rationalize his
untenable position.

He's a psude-progressive who doesn't walk his talk. He just talks
and talks and expects us to take that as a substitute for real action.
Like so many fake radicals, he expects us to believe he is a radical
just because he says he is. And he has a hip alias and knows
all the hip words and probably has dreadlocks (or wears some
other costume).

t's best to call things what they are. Only when the world is a perfect
place will all labels be positive.

If everyone who claimed to be progressive was actually
progressive, the world wouldn't be a mess, would it?

gushing piles of love and peace and flowers and rainbows and
hemp tote bags and GreenPeace bumper stickers

LIttlefoot

 

Just for starters, the U.S. has bombed Muslims in Indonesia, Kuwait, Iran,
Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Libya, and Afghanistan.

I would call mass murder and destruction in someone else's country,
"doing something to them", wouldn't you?

You can disagree all you want. There's no way for a small percentage of
the people to consume most of the world's resources without violence.

There wouldn't even BE an America if the 'Native Americans' hadn't
been killed or rounded up and imprisoned on reservations.

Or do you think they would have just voluntarily cut their own throats
or burned their villages and marched off to the reservations if we had
asked them nicely?

What's going on in the Middle East is just variation on that same theme.

Oil is only part of it. But you wouldn't want to live in America if there
wasn't an abundance of cheap oil. It is the basic energy source of
the whole economy.

I certainly don't mind. You have a right to your opinions. But you really
need to open your eyes and do some homework.

Wars don't happen just because some rotten people decide to have one.
They are how bullies force other people to do what they want them to do.

And America is the biggest baddest bully there every was.

It sees something it wants and it takes it.

And most of the people who benefit from that taking pretend that they
aren't responsible in any way for it, or that what was really going on
was some kind of good deed or justice in action, that had nothing to
do with material greed.


much love and peace to all of you[/QUOTE]

Same to you. Nice to meet ya,

Littlefoot

 

Oh no, you're not bitter or cynical at all...

 

littlefoot, i didn't mean to accuse you of calling everyone windbags, i meant just to ask why you called bloodynailpolish that ?. and also i sorry i didn't know america bombed those places, and i did know america was a bad bully but i didn't know it was that bad of a bully. i'm not trying to piss you or anyone else off, i just want to help make this world peaceful thats all man.



peace and much love to you, and it was also nice to meet you

 

I am not bitter or cynical at all. I'm describing the way things are.

You don't want to face reality so you try to shoot the messenger.

This is quite typical of American psuedo-progressives who live
like everyone else and pretend that they are enlightened and
superior beings.

It's because of phonies like you that we don't get anywhere.

Littlefoot

 

Likewise, homeiswherethe loveis.

A lot of people, including almost everyone on these Forums, want to make
the world a better place.

Unfortunately, they want to make fundamental changes in the world but
they don't want to make fundamental changes in their own lifestyle.

This never works.

And in this case, it is the very lifestyle practiced by most of us that
_is_ the problem.

That's why we have a huge environmental movement that isn't
accomplishing anything, for example.

No one means any harm. But hundreds of millions of people living
a Middle-Class lifestyle is destroying the planet and requires
de facto slavery and warfare.

Whether the people involved _want_ those things to happen or not,
their collective lifestyle requires it.

And we aren't going to get anywhere unless we face reality.

Lttlefoot

 

you do make excellent points, but i still think its all just wrong to kill people good or bad. there aren't any good people or bad people, there are just people misunderstood, or haven't had parents or people around them tell them what is good and what is bad, thats just what i think, you might disagree but that would be your opinion.



peace and much love

 

WOW, hello, can of worms! Hello, victim mentality! With all due respect, I have a family member, who is not misunderstood, and was raised by loving, ethical parents in a nurturing environment, and STILL MURDERED someone. So, I'm going to disagree with you. BUT I will respect your opinion.

 

Do you attack everyone that doesn't hold your same opinion little foot, you sure get off on name calling, for a person of your age, but I suppose it's about mentailty as well , err..

What changes have you made in society, your all huff n puff, jumping everyones shit because? You think you have the world figured out, you think you could run everyone to your liking.. well run for president, make changes. Stop the name calling, your no good example of peace and brotherhood.

Your the bully, no one can have a life except the one you pick, get over yourself..now cut it out. Fair warning.
sh

 

oh, lovemore sorry to hear that, maybe i shouldn't have said what i said. but thanks for respecting my opinion. but maybenext time i'll just stick to things that i know are definitely true, i mean some of what i said earlier is part true, and part not, but i made the mistake of putting down the wrong wording

 

Don't worry about it, there is no way in Hell you'd know that. I just wanted to throw a wrench in your argument machine. <3

 

ok, and thanks, i think i was kind of just talking and not thinking about what i was saying, or trying to say.








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God gave rock n roll to you

-Argent



Give Peace a Chance


-John Lennon

 

I agree and have said so on these Forums many times.

All existence is blessed and all apparent evil is simply ignorance.

That doesn't mean that everything's okay. It does mean that it isn't
okay to do bad things to people because they have done bad things.

People who do bad things, or pay for bad things to be done, need to
be healed, not harmed further.

And it is quite okay to act to prevent people from doing bad things
if you can do that without becoming a criminal yourself.

Littlefoot

 

You have already made it quite clear that you hate me for expressing my honest
and educated opinion of America and Americans.

I am not going to give you an excuse to ban me by taking obvious bait like
this.

Anyone can take a look at your posts to me, and see all of the insults,
some of them outright lies, that you have directed at me.

You are abusing your position of authority.

I"d advise you to cease and desist. Fair warning.

Littlefoot