Things that brought you back home.

eh one time i ate acid and went to a house party where i didnt know anyone except the friend i went with. and i was wearing head phones listening to my ipod. it was weird. i ended up geekin out and locking myself in the bathroom. my friend had to talk me out. then i smoked and geeked even more. it was raining like crazy. people were fucking with me. it sucked. i was depressed for awhile after that trip for some reason. i just thought life was pointless. go anxiety attacks. im good now tho.

 

You know. The fact you require respect from others in order to make your viewpoints assimilate into their minds is evidence enough that your viewpoints are not correct. It's not about you needing respect, its about whether or not what your saying even has respect in it.

Really it is not that diffucult to adapt your reality into a context that would make relayer's comprehensible to you.

I am quite an adherent of the old Leary context, 'recognize everything is merely a product of your own mind'. Which in that mode, yes I do understand what you are saying very clearly. Pain, extreme hell would be a revealing of the unconcious mind, that you would merely need to recognize as something of you.

However in the same context, there is that whole realm of telepathic connection when your not in full ego loss, when your not -one-. When your still individualized in your ego, but at the same time you can sense and utilize the underlying connection of -one- to percieve other individualized egos.

Well what would draw energy and life out of you in such a context? Certainly love for another. Pain and hell can perfectly fit into the realm of maintaining pure love in your heart when that involves, giving yourself to the healing of another. An external entity drawing it from you.

So in such a mode of thought, you could conversely ask, why are you so perfect as to not allow other beings to draw energy from you for their own personal growth to your level? Cause no one is at your level?

You know you really do not have to willfully shoot out your energy. People will just come to draw from it when they need it. Maybe save it for those that truly seek it rather than trying to forcibly spread it everywhere?

Also, you know your philosophy of the pscyhadellic experience does carry over into waking sober life. You find it so absurd to notion a negative trip is the product of something external. But yet you find it absolutely rational to assume your energy, which others are percieving as negative, is the product of external negativity, as in another person not comprehending or respecting you. Certainly that would mean what your sending out doesn't have respect and comprehension of all in it, no? Or are you the causal center of the universe, in that you must cause change to percieve your perfection? Because I've been assuming, the entire universe was merely associative.

 

whats your point?

are you trying to tell me that i am actually capable of shooting my energy forcefully at you through this forum?

you just said a whole lot of nothing my friend!

 

Thank you guys on your feedback on how you feel on a bad trip, but I still don't understand it. After all my expirience, I still say that I never had a bad trip and (never say never) I think I'll never have it. I think that you have a wrong perception of positive and negative energy, there is no positive and negative, there is only energy, and when you become part of it, it just flows through you. If you welcome everything that comes to you, let it flow through you it can not be bad. According to you guys, when I had to go to work blasted like hell last week, I shoud've had a nightmare of a trip. Once, one friend of mine was telling me, do not be open like that to that person, he is evil and he is pretty powerfull, he can hurt you. But I felt that I belong to something much higher and more beautifull than life itself, and that that force will never let anything happen to me, I felt imortal, I felt if somebody shoots a bullet from the gun at me that the bullet will stop and fall on the ground in front of me. Love is always much, much stronger than hate! I helped that person a lot, and he asked me if I am able to draw all the negative energy from everybody in to myself, don't I get overloaded with that negative energy. I told him the truth, for me there is no negative or positive energy, I just love everything and everybody, and whatever vibe comes to that shield of love, it just flows through you like a sunshine, shining on everyone and everything around you. With a perception like that, even when you are tripping, whatever comes to you, shines as a pure love, prouving you that you are one with everything. I relly don't understand bad trip, as bad trip means that there is no oneness. If there is good and bad, that is two, not one, and I don't know how can somebody feel and belive in oneness and still have a bad trip as those two don't go togehter. Than you need to sit and think what you actually belive, or maybe in some moments you belive in this and next moment in that. I don't know, but I would like to hear what you think about what I just said.
Love you all!

 

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i agree that there is no real bad trip. there is always a bright side or a good reason why you experience whatever you experience. it is all love - let it fill you up and feel warm light - fight it and feel pain, anxiety or fear.

but i have to disagree with one of your points about negative energy. well i agree to a certain degree like when someone is acting in a way that someone might see as negative - it does not have to effect you negatively - if you can see the love like you say you will be able to avoid any negative effect. but when you are feeling some excruciatingly bad pains in your stomach it is very difficult to see that as a positive energy. i still wouldnt call it a bad trip - like you i dont think they exist - every trip is good for something. i think that if you feel off or in a way you dont like than you are feeling something negative. if you are feeling something you like, something that makes you feel good than it is positive energy. like a magnet has positive and negative - like electricity has positive and negative - so do we - our bodies run on an electric current. i would agree that all the energy is love - but when it sits in your stomach causing you pain the love is felt in a very negative way. try to think of it like this - if you are unable to feel the divine light that is love you will feel the opposite of it (which is still the same energy).

i think you are getting a little hung up on the words and i do understand what you are getting at.

maybe you are the kind of person who has very good karma. your everyday life and what timothy leary calls "game playing" in his book "the psychedelic experience" is very good. your karma does not need you to experience anything that might be considered a bad trip. i used to have difficult trips because of my karma but i have since learned my lessons. i live my life in such a way that all my trips are wonderful experiences (even when i cant stop thinking about the pain in my arm). because you are fortunate enough to be a person who does not need "bad trips" to wake up or learn lessons you have never experienced such things and have no idea what we are refering to.

honestly i think if you went out and kicked the shit out of some kid just for fun before you took some acid you would find out what people are saying when they say 'bad trip'... i realize you will not do this... just trying to explain how i understand it.

we do it to our selves - we really do. there is no reason that everyone can not enjoy a wonderful psychedelic trip every time. if there is something wrong, bad, uncomfortable, or negative with your trip it is your fault. that is actually good news - it means that it is in your control - you can do something about it so that you dont have to experience what ever you didnt like again. there is no good reason to believe that someone with good karma should ever expect an evil entity to come to them during a trip to torment them for no reason. on the same note there is no good reason to be afraid of a bad trip unless you have bad karma. of course it is possible for people to have bad karma and not realize it - that is part of why psychedelics are so good for us - when you are having difficulty with your trip all you have to do is ask yourself what your lesson is - how could i be a better person to avoid feeling this way? all you have to do is relax and let go - if you have been dishonest with your friends or family for instance relaxing and letting go will be very difficult if not impossible until you realize that you have to be more honest with yourself and the people you are trying to love.

 

This is what I was getting at 3xi, you do NOT understand
the subject matter, and you have shown that with this
post. Im sorry man, I do not want to start more arguments
with you exactly, but this kind of lack of understanding
is why we argued yesterday. You just dont get where Im
coming from, so I felt that you should have left my post
alone.

 

i understand the subject matter very good... i do believe in contact with other entities like you say. i believe that you do not fully understand. how you can read what i say in plain english for the laymen and not understand where i am coming from is beyond me.

i understand where you are coming from. that is why i am trying to help you understand it better.

all i said is that there is something that you are to learn from your experience. that entity came to you and made you feel like shit because you deserved it. best you figure out what you are to learn.

that is how i would have delt with your experience had it happened to me.

which it has by the way... not like i need to get into it but i have been visited and even possessed for a short period of time by a very evil entity. i also believe that this entity had something to do with my friend who lived in the same house also having a difficult experience(he was in a very dark place at the time). i did eventually will it away and i realized what i did wrong to let it into my reality in the first place. maybe you are not understanding what i am getting at - did you ever think of that???

you assume too much. like that i dont believe in such things... cuz i do... and you assume that i dont understand -- but i do (just different than you do)... it would be good for you to try and understand where i am coming from. if you can not clearly see that i do understand what i am talking about than look again.

i address your points clearly enough for you to see that i understand what you are saying. - i think you are wrong not to take some sort of responsibility for what happened to you on those mushrooms trips.

i do understand the subject matter. you dont understand my point.

 

Then Om shanti, Amen, peace and love to you 3xi.
Thank you for clearing up the fact that you also
believe in at least a similar practice of contact.
Im sorry that I could not tell that this was your
position from your earlier posts but I guess that
was because we dont see it in the same light.
I feel that out of love and care I was indirectly
helping something that was at the same time
showing me a new vision. But I just simply dont
think that it was because of some evil doing
on my part, because not every lesson is learned
out of repremandation (this is also not how
karma works in the grand scheme of binding)
and to be shown something new doesnt have
to mean I was being punished.
But I will agree to disagree because we both
have completley different experiences and
beliefs

 

you can say that again

 

Everything is energy. Just because it's transferred through a wire doesn't mean it escapes the principles. These are not just lifeless words on your screen that exist merely in the context of your mind and screen.

I saw in another thread you went on a long rant about the mere thought of 'needing a sitter in case a problem occurs' is a bad idea because then it may inherently intertwine with the psychadellic experiencer in bad vibes and cause a problem just because of the underlying intentionality behind having a sitter.

Your philosophies of psychadellia do come to sober waking life as well. Your mere intention and feeling in your body right now is intertwining with every word you write and send to people. The reason people take your writings in the manner they do is they sense no underlying energy coming from you that they want. Meditate as you type. Imagine the one feeling you would want to send out into the world, then hold that feeling through every keystroke you take, if something you say makes you lose that feeling, then you probably shouldn't be typing what you were typing. Because when someone then reads what you typed, they too will lose the feeling. Feeling being how you percieve energy without metaphor.

 

Well I've had a few "bad" trips, it might have just been too much trip for the time. Or the age old set and setting dillemma. I remember as a kid laying in front of the tv and seeing those long commercials concerning christmas classics or old singers such as Bing Crosby or Nat King Cole. I was feeling completely preturbed by my cid state and remembered the good feelings that music and those commercials brought me. I listened to White Christmas and a few Bing and Nat King Cole songs. These songs completely leveled the bad rhythms happening at the time. A suggestion is to relate with a good memory of your childhood to bring you back to sanity. Doing this is not running away from a trip but running to meet it. I should not neglect to mention that while listening to Bing Crosby all I could think about were those cans of coke with the santa claus on them.