what is wrong with society & why did i post this in the LSD section?

Too many people think it easier to go on living in denial instead of listening to reason and addressing the problems of our nations. I have heard that the UK has gotten too far out of hand, worse than North America in many respects.

 

well this is just my take on it, so please feel free to correct me if i "still dont understand" but if you were to form your little utopia and live somewhere then how can you claim to be completely cut off from society when you still use it's goods? that's why i asked where you would live b/c i figured that you would not want to do ANYTHING with society. if you are living in manhattan in some apartmant on the 12th floor eating pizza every night and riding around in taxi's your still a part of society. your just a part of society that thinks it isn't a part of society.

 

neodude wtf man? Who said anything about being "completely cut off from society?" This thread is just trying to suggest how to make society better.

 

obviously if someone wants to cut themselves off completely from society they are going to have to stop using the same goods and services. they would have to live off of the land and have no interaction with society. i don’t think that anyone was suggesting that this is a good idea. a couple of us have mentioned how we have thought about moving away from it all but we stay because being a part of human civilization and being a part of a change for the better is the right choice.

moving out to the mountains to start a commune is one way to solve many of my problems. this would take a lot of work. i would die unless i was able to have someone show me how to survive. i am sure if i put enough thought into it i could do this but like i have already said i feel like i can be a part of making the world a better place for everyone and that is obviously a better choice.

if there is a way in the future that i can move out to the country, live in a small community with my friends and still be a part of making the world a better place i will do it. because of my financial situation at present time i must live in the city and put my band together. hopefully in the future i will have enough money and resources that we can move to a place in nature.

but that’s not what we were talking about... we are not talking about avoiding the tax collectors, we are not talking about running away from society, we are not talking about cutting our selves off... we are talking about what is wrong with society and what can we do to make the world a better place. the fact that the countries that we live in are not free or fair is why we have to do something. there is no way that anyone can argue that our countries are free and fair but they sure will try for as long as they need to before they forget what they are denying.

 

this cop came into my work today & was bragging about how she likes to write people up on every little thing if she doesn't like them. she gave me an example of a taxi driver she pulled over for running a red light. she didn't like his attitude so she wrote him up on every little thing she could find including...and get this...FOR NOT HAVING SHAVED!!!!!!!! apparently there is a by-law that states that a cab driver MUST be clean shaven...even if a beard is part of a religion it must be TRIMMED. WTF......its an actual BI-LAW!!!! WTF??????????

this brought up all sorts of debates at work about laws and naturally i go to self rule (and no one except one guy was opposed to the idea--i was surprised) anyway one guy said that "in his country" back in the day if you killed someone or willingly caused trajedy -like raping someone...you were bound (like a slave pretty much) to the victim's family until you re-paid the harm. so if you killed the family's farmer, you had to farm the guys land and give all the money to the family (besides a meagre stipend) until his kids were old enough to inherit the farm etc.

 

Some cops make me sick. They get off on adrenaline and everyone has to suffer because they needed a rush. I have met cops who wake up for their shift and crack open the brews. One cop would hit the drive-through early each morning to get his free food at the place I was working at and he would have a 40 ouncer in his lap. When the place got robbed and the cops where called, they responded by saying "Do you think we are crazy? No one here wants to get shot," and they proceeded to wait until the robbers where well on their way before attempting to enter the store. When I was arrested on trumped up charges, one of the cops yelled at me "IT WILL BE NO USE GOING TO COLLEGE ANYMORE KID! NO ONE WILL HIRE A FELON!!! HAHAHAA!" I spent over a week in that disgusting tiny excuse of a jail cell with 25 others (many of them violent bullies) for a crime I had nothing to do with. The cops are supposed to serve and protect us? They seem to serve and protect the corporations by bullying the average Joe into compliance.

 

amen! sounds like a terrible ordeal you went through. stories like this makes me want change now!!

 

there is a way that people who do not like the current system of government can have a small effect. the more people who did this the more likely anything would come of it.

because we all have the right to vote and they can not force us to vote for someone we do not like we have the right to vote for none of the above. they don’t give you a spot to check off 'none of the above' because they don’t want you to do that but they can not stop you from voting that way. if enough people voted for none of the above on a federal election the current government would be forced to make some big changes. right now the system is set up in a way that says that if you want to have a say you have to vote for one of the candidates that are running and most people assume that this is their only choice. the constitution would protect our right to vote for none of the above. it is not fair that a government can force us to accept at least one of the parties. we might not like any of the candidates and if that is the case then why cant we say so. if we all have a right to vote we have the right to vote for a complete restructuring by voting for 'none of the above'.

so next time you go out to vote - don’t forget that you don’t have to pick one of the candidates - you can choose none of the above.

 

you mean by destroying the ballot--like x-ing them all off? imagine if every voter did that?!! what would happen? that would be an awesome statement!

 

Yea but the people in charge would just lie and cover it up. How the fuck would anyone know if the elections are just completely rigged? The two candidates who are allowed to win are probably just pretending to oppose each other on issues they could care less about. Every measure thinkable is taken to keep the wealthiest people at the top. Politics is just a big diversion created to distract the people from the real problems. In my mind, it is just a huge joke. Voters are pretty much voting in order to seal their ignorance in the cement of oppression. We might as well all just write in "Bob Marley" next to a big check mark.

 

Amen!

 

i'd feel great voting for bob marley--even if he's dead! his spirit could do wonders for us!

 

i only read like the first line (cause i'm too lazy to read the whole thing)

but it seems that every single druggie i know, or have talked to wants to separate themselves from society, into the woods or somewhere far from all this civilization shit. lol

i guess we all realize the same shit while on drugs. lol

a drugies perspective: blah blah blah, nothing really matters anyway!! if only everyone was more like this!! and that!! then the world would be a happier place! if people didn't care so much about blahh! and blahh!! PLUR 4 life!!!

a socially acceptable citizens perspective: why do they do so much drugs? why dont they just do something with thier life and blah blah, instead of wasting thier money on drugs all the time and doing nothing productive at all. those kids need to be educated!

my perspective: we're all retards.

 

speak for yourself

 

do you feel like
there were some people you rather respected
but after LSD
they now appear downright neurotic

it almost seems like, everyone who hasnt taken LSD is just like... having a bad trip, indefinanetly

 

i am sure that there are exceptions to this rule but ya, i hear ya

 

i think that anyone who uses LSD and does not turn into someone who wants to change the world for the better is not getting the message. i think that there is something very wrong with anyone who can take LSD over and over and still not see anything spiritual about life. i believe that understanding karma is a very natural process for anyone who uses LSD on a regular basis yet i have known people who have used LSD for years that are actually strongly against anything spiritual.

i was hoping to get some more good posts in this thread but i guess there are not as many hip trippers in the hip forums after all. obviously my ideas are very radical and not everyone will agree that such change is necessary but anyone who has done enough LSD should have something to say about what is wrong with society. how people can trip in the modern world without seeing how disgusting most of it is is beyond me. in the circles that i know it is common knowledge that the current government is not fair. i am all about having a good trip and not letting all the shit get you down but i find it difficult to deny what is going on around us.

i guess the kind of trippers that would have something to say on this subject do not take the time to post in public forums or they use another forum. there have been some great posts in this thread but there are so few of us with something to say. i thought that in the LSD thread i would find more of a response than this. i guess what i am trying to say is that i am disappointed that there are so many people who will talk about how much acid a 16 year old kid should take but there are only a few people who want to talk about what is wrong with society.

 

my guess its that its an exhausting thought process. you are right--there is MUCH that CAN be done to improve life for all. to raise awareness-not only about lsd...but on all the things we have discussed on this thread--political corruption, police brutality etc. i guess if a larger amount of people believed change was not only necessary but POSSIBLE it would be far more heated thread. we'd be thinking about solutions, we'd be inspiring ideas on raising awareness even if its just in our small communities, we'd be discussing a more enlightened world with the knowledge that what we think about manifests, so if we keep giving energy to the transcendance of the masses then it WILL happen. its how we manifest--first in thought, then speech, then deed--its how every spell that has ever been cast was started.

this world needs magic.

but 3xi people don't believe that. people are lazy. its easier to stay defeated...lie around in a futile sense of impotency. let me have another scotch & a prozak and i won't care that i'm over worked and over taxed. i won't care that industries feed off my misery. i won't care that my family is neglected because i'm too friggin tired....because as exhausting as the status quo is, its even more insurmountable to imagine the effort required to change a whole societal system.

personally i think people are made to believe its too hard so that they won't think about it. they don't want us to want to think about it. its why lsd gets soooo much propaganda. look what it did in the 60's. it inspired an entire generation to oppose the status quo. they don't want a repeat of the 60's.

i believe if we keep at it--keep thinking and talking about change, that energy will spread....transcendance is possible. evolution is necessary if the species is to exist. its the order of the universe.

these forums are step one in the magic--if people want to be part of the solution rather than the problem. no one is saying to pull a V for Vandetta here. i think 3xi is just asking that we THINK. we use these types of threads to THINK, talk, hope and plan --therefore create a brighter tommorrow. I'm up for it!

 

i assure you, no matter what state of mind i'm in i see the world for it's sorry sad shit shape condition, and i try to get in touch with spirituality whilst frying, instead i end up feeling like i have a 20 pound quantum machine in my head, debating the physics, laws, and realities of everything to have come and yet to come, i suppose sometimes i hit the spiritual breach although not completely in touch, i dont exactly understand the phenomena. i like lsd because of the doors it unlocks into consciousness, but for spiritual happenings, auras, spectral trails, i just eat some papa smurf stems with shimmering caps

 

back when LSD first came on to the scene people were a lot more vocal about their frustrations with the government. it was like the LSD had somehow awakened hundreds of thousands of our youth.

now a days kids are taking acid to get fucked up and see shit! it is like the big monster has somehow convinced us that we are all crazy for taking LSD.

i realize that there are people in the world who use LSD in ways that benefit us all but it sure is upsetting to realize how many people the government propaganda has convinced. the denial is so fucking thick that even a strong dose of LSD won't work.

a bunch of brain dead monkeys taking it in the ass with a big fucking smile on their face....... happy fucking new years everyone... lets hope we can't make things any worse... to a better tomorrow...