mike vick dog indictment

My former post is old and now that Vick has admitted his role things are now differant. It doesn't change the way I feel about being innocent until PROVEN guilty however. So many people in this country hear that a person is accused of a crime and BAM! Hes' guilty.... Its a shame really...



Anyway I'd like to bring up something that most people seem to be unaware of.....

The whole "Executing" the dogs that didn't perform well thing seemed to be particularly shocking to people but what folks don't seem to know is that professional dog and cat breeders kill the unwanted dogs or cats. Its a regular and normal part of their business. Its completely legal and nobody even knows. Whats the differance??? Killing is killing.

 

I agree with you on both things you brought up there

I agree that people should be innocent untill proven guilty its not fair to attack a innocent person. I feel bad about being all crazy about it .. I just get so upset about animal abuse ..

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I am aware of animals being killed by breeders and I agree that killing is killing animals lives are being sacrificed and it is wrong in both cases.

 

Culling is something most animal people are aware of, and most are against.

But Vick was raising dogs for an illegal activity. He was fighting dogs. It's illegal and immoral.

And he and his friends were making money from it.

 

i agree

 

Killing dogs for legal purposes is also immoral and the breeders also make money.

Whats the difference??

Why is it evil and wrong when dog fighters kill unwanted dogs but breeders can kill unwanted dogs and its OK? (legally)

Illegal and legal make very little difference if any at all.

I say theres no difference.

The federal Government cared because there was untaxed money involved.

Do you really think that they care about animals?? They don't even care about human lives... much less animals.

Its real easy for people to get pissed off about Vick while petting their terrier or whatever. Anyone like that is just as guilty as Vick especially if they know (or knew) but do nothing.


Another thing that bothered me!!

Theres was that senator that said that "The hottest places in Hell!!" were reserved for people like Vick. I thought it a bit strange that no senator has EVER gone out on TV and made such bold statements about child molestors or child rapists.

Why is that??

Maybe its because they simpithise with child rapists (probably doing so themselves) or maybe its because hes a RICH, BLACK, THUG.

Rich white people hate rich thuggy blacks. Take that how you want to but its true.

I'm not saying it wouldn't have been a big deal if he were white but it definately wouldn't have been the same huge deal that it was...especially if he were a rich influencial white.

I'm white by the way.

my opinions

 

the jail he's staying at is pretty nice. they say that he can play basketball and workout, and that's really it. if you think about it, that's really not a huge lifestyle change.

i don't want him to stop playing though, i want him to come back, i am curious how he performs with that chip on his shoulder. they should cut his pay or something, but football has nothing to do with dog fighting. he should be allowed to play for a low salary, more out of love for the sport. i really don't give a shit what else happens, i just want to see the man perform.

 

yup

 

Dog fighting involves creating pain and suffering for the amusement of people. People who are amused by a dog's pain are dangerous to other people. (You want one marrying your daughter?)

That's the difference.

 

Good point

its fuckin disgusting no matter what anyone says ...

 

i dont know any reputable breeder that culls his litters unless there is a obvious birth defect.

an they generally dont electrocute,or bash there heads with blocks,or hang them as vick and his crew did..

there is a huge diffrence in killing a animal with birth defects at birth and torturing a full grown dog to death...

 

They couldn't shoot them. How should they have killed them?


*I don't support dog fighting btw

 

why couldnt they shoot them? and i believe with his money lethal injection would have been a viable option.

im sure there is a money hungry vet within a 100 miles of there who would have came to the kennel and killed all he wanted...for that matter the shots used could be obtained with enough money..


oh. btw. most breeders just put there hand over the face of a puppy an suffocate them.. seems painless enough as a new born puppies lungs are not developed fully and its quick...

 

Who said it wasn't?? I didn't.

Birth defects are frequent in pure-bred dog/cat breeding.


That alot of puppies/kittens culled/(killed)

Dogfighting or no.


Animals are still being killed for money.

Amusement dosen't mean much to the animals.

It seems like some of you are trying to excuse it.

 

That dosen't make it OK

Especially if they are breeders and KILL often.

If you are breeding and making birth defected animals the you should stop!

I guess its cool as long as you don't make them fight right??

Breed all the ugly un-sellable- mangled puppies and kittens you want.

You can always Cull(KILL) them..... right?

 

I can imagine the headlines now...police discover dog fighting operation while investigating reports of gun shots a property owned by Michael Vick...

That was my angle...that they didn't want to take any chances. I'm from VA so I am familiar with shooting guns on rural property and have never had any law inforcement issues...but if I was Michael Vick and living in teh south...I wouldn't be shooting any guns outside of a shooting range.

Fair enough point on the lethal injection, though I'm not surprised they didn't think of it.

 

wow i always knew virginia was communist country but you make it sound like the swat team would be called out cause someone heard gunshots..

shit hear its a daily thing.. hell two,,no 3 of my neighbors have fully automatic weapons,,an 1 has a cannon ,lol..


i dunno, maybe your referring to the fact that hes black an thats why the gunshot would be a issue. if so thats a pretty sad commentary on virginia..

please dont insinuate that all of the rural south is racist just because your state is. we have enough problems with stereotypes here..

our area is very diverse and very accepting of all races...

hmm,, just another reason to avoid virginia...

 

that is the most ludicrous thing ive heard in ages.. im debating on whether its even worthy of comment..

number 1 there is a huge difference between a puppy mill and as i stated a "reputable" breeder,please dont twist my words.

breeding for money? sure i guess they do,however i see it as providing a service for folks who desire a pet but otherwise couldnt acquire one of a specific breed for themselves.so should we close all the fertility clinics for humans? there breeding for profit..

we could go into the whole overpopulation animal shelter thing,however its no different with we humans.we are overpopulating the world,there are plenty of babies to adopt,are we to outlaw women getting pregnant???

that being said,you obviously havent spent very much time around animals. all things on earth,including humans have a certain percentage of babies born with defects...

even the animal itself knows what must be done when a baby is unhealthy.have you never saw a mother cat or dog kill its runt? ive even seen them eat them.its a natural thing even for them.

while you may have the view that they should be cared for for life even though they cant fend for themselves, i for one believe its not fair to the animal to have it live life mutated. then to i believe a woman has the right to abort a baby that she knows has birth defects.

sadly theres no real way to test for defects with animals before birth (as a woman has amniocentesis at her disposal)so it must be done at birth..

for that matter i say a woman has the right to have late a term abortion an should have the option to end the babies life immediately after birth if it has a severe birth defect.

so its ok for a woman to abort a baby,im sure your all for that right,but its not ok for a breeder to do the same when nature inevitably runs a muck??

once again there is a HUGE difference in killing a animal be it k-9,feline or human because it has a birth defect and killing a full grown animal simply because it doesnt perform..

although there are some humans im all for doing away with on those grounds lol.... j/k


if your not 100% pro life/anti abortion for any reason,your views are extremely hypocritical and skewed in my opinion.

 

I didn't twist your words. All I'm saying is that even a "reputable" breeder is going to Cull/Kill hundreds of puppies or kittens in his or her lifetime and if the business is family owned then this horrible cycle could go on forever. Animals aren't just Culled/Killed for birth defects either. Animals are frequently Culled/Killed because they aren't attractive enough, even with reputable breeders. This is a horrible business.

Now just so we can be clear I feel that I must say again that I'm not defending Mike Vick! I just see that this has brought an issue to the forefront that many people have denied or were unaware of.

Also I have to say again that this sort of zeal just isn't present when a child is molested or raped. Why is that? If people protested endlessly outside the courthouse everytime a child was raped or killed until something was finally done about it then we would have a better world. I'm not trying to downplay the animal issue but sometimes I think that its crazy that we would tolerate this sort of thing over and over again. (most child killers have been in and out of jail for molesting and such numerous times before actually killing) But something like this comes up (and it is a horrible act) and people make this huge scene.

Where was everyone at when that dude in Florida kidnapped and raped/killed that nine-year old girl? Where was the fury? What about the "hottest places in hell"?

 

Reputable breeders of show quality and performance working dogs do NOT routinely kill puppies or dogs, and most NEVER do in their lifetime careers.

Puppies that are not the best candidates for showing or working are sold as pets/companions to loving families and spayed and neutered.

Birth defects are another story- yes such a puppy will be euthanized, however it is true a set of parents that produced a cleft pallet or other defect should be altered and not breed again.

 

BTW a truly reputable person breeding show or working dogs would not produce hundreds of puppies in a lifetime. A reputable breeder breeds every couple years, one litter, to have something new to show and carry on his or her line of dogs.

Anyone breeding multiple litters per year, etc, is not reputable, but more likely a high volume breeder or worse.

Please don't confuse a repubtable person who might produce 10 or 15 litters in a 30 year breeding career, and place every single puppy he doesn't keep himself in a carefully screened, interviewed home and take them back for life if needed... with some fucking slime ball puppy miller and shitty for money backyard breeders.

If you think breedings dogs is a business, and that REPTABLE breeders make money, then you are not educated about breeding.

Reputable breeders of performance animals spend thousands of dollars on health clearances, showing their dogs, grooming supplies, top quality feed for them, etc...

Anything less- is NOT reputable.