well my name is jake. im 28 years old and grew up on a 130 acre farm in south carolina and always had to work hard lifting stuff all the time and when i got older i worked for a furniture moving comany and then a TV repair company.....well im sure you can guess that my back didnt exactly like all the abuse and started giving me problems and finally went to the doc about it and he said i have degenerated disc....when iw as younger i always enjoyed a nice loritab with a few beers but it never became a problem....but when i started getting scripts or 40 10 mg tabs, and oxycodones i started getting a pretty good tolerance to sometimes i would maybe take 7 to 10 a day to keep going and then found out that oxys and really enjoyed them cause they took the pain away and made me feel like the person i was.... i ended up liking to take maybe 2 80mg oxys but i could probly take more i didnt wanna spend that much even though i got them for $35 a peice......i have a family and dont mind paying for them but when it gets that expensive its a little selfish seeing that could be toys or clothing for my daughter or food or money for important bills......the problem is i dont have insurance anymore and will always have a back problem but i turned down back surgery cause its too risky rigth now at my age....im the kinda guy that would love to just be sober but really do enjoy the effects i get off of oxys and opiates....it dont make me pass out and act stupid and nodd out and shit.....it just makes me feel like a million bucks and i can work circles around someone no matter what i am doing when im on them.....i also enjoy everything 10,000 times more when im on them.......but damn i hate the ongoing circle of bullshit that goes along with opiate addiction....i have had suboxine and gotten off a few different times but i always end up giving in and wanting to have a good night or if my back gets hurting too much. but is there anything that can give you taht "good feeling" not exactly dopy feeling wityout opiates???? methadone is ncie but WDs are way worse than anything and suboxine is hard to come by...i mean i can take some tylenol when the pain gets bad but i really need some relief from life its self sometimes cause i dont like to drink anymore and i hate xanax's....i do remember colanapins mispell im sure....hehe, but they used to make my day a little brighter sometimes and they really didnt have withdrawals for the most part. the main thing is WDs from opiates can really fuck my schedule and life up and i dont always have suboxine to come down off of them cause i have so many things i want to be doing that i cant when i dont have the meds and almost would rather not even be here if i have to go on like this forever....not that i would really do something cause i have family and freinds that love me and im not selfish, but you get the point ......anyways i was just wanting to introduce my self and explain and little about me and tell my story with this crap....... jake from sc
Hey Jake, Thanks for sharing your story, I totally understand your predicament. I've often wished for a different way to handle my pain AND to get that wonderful feeling that makes life seem more bearable WITHOUT taking opiates. The one difference is that I have insurance that covers my prescriptions, so money is not a problem. My pain doctor has me on 20mg oxys 2x daily and 10/325 percocet 3x daily. I know exactly what you mean when you say that you can "work circles around others" and that you "feel like a million bucks". For me, thats how it started, but unfortunately as a college student in my final year of my BA degree, taking 70-100mg of oxycodone a day makes me overly drowsy and lethargic in class. I have been seeking a suitible alternative that will deal with my pain (I have two conditions that cause me chronic chest pain and chronic joint pain), make me feel on top of the world, and still allow me to go through my day normally. I like methadone for that, but as you said, withdrawls suck from 'dones, and when I come off a dose I usually get a horrible headache and have to sleep it all. Also, you mentioned xanax and klonpin (correct spelling, haha). Both these medications are in the benzodiazaprine family, which also includes valium. Xanax is the brand name for the medication alprazolam. Klonpin is the brand name for clonazepam. Valium is the brand name for diazepam. All of these are used for general anti-anxiety, but klonpin is by FAR the strongest. 1mg of klonpin is equal to around 20mg of valium! These meds all help to take the edge off of opiate withdrawls, but unfortunately they are also HIGHLY addictive. And, from what I have heard, withdrawls from benzo's are MUCH worse than withdrawls from opiates. Anyway, I would say if you are looking for a healthy alternative to deal with your pain and take the edge off life without drawing you into the cycle of an expensive addiction, try Kava. Kava is a leafy shrub-like plant that grows in tropical islands like Hawaii. The roots of the Kava plant produce bio-active particles called "kavalactones" of which there are several types. Each different type of kavalactone produces a different bio-tropic or psycho-tropic effect. Overall, when you soak powdered Kava root in water, juice, milk, or whatever substance you like, the kavalactones are extracted into the liquid, and can be drunk. When ingested, these molecules produce a valium-like calm and clarity that I have found to help with opiate withdrawls and even reduce my pain significantly. Kava can be purchased in a wide variety of forms, including whole root, powdered root, pre-extracted kavalactone concentrate, pre-made "instant" kava drinks, and even a wide variety food products that include extracted kavalactones. You can purchase all kinds of products over the internet at places like konakavafarm.com, or you can buy a variety of kava extract in liquid or capsule form at your local health food supply store or GNC/Vitamin World type outlet. Because it is relatively cheap, and I think, quite tasty (it is an acquired taste), it is a viable alternative. I buy 1/2 a pound of powdered Kava root from Kona Kava Farm over the internet, and it lasts me about a month. I put 2-3 tablespoons in my blender with 6 ounces water and 6 onces milk (this is to extract the maximum amount of active kavalactones) and blend it for about 5 minutes. Then I strain out the powdered root and the mix in chocolate syrup or something else sweet to excise the bitterness of the Kava. Try it if you like! Some people don't like Kava or don't think it does anything. I disagree. Hope you figure something out! -V
ok first off its spelled "Klonopin" and it is NOT the strongest benzo out there... The strongest benzo is probably Rohypnol (Flunitrazepam) but those aren't really available in the U.S. So i would say the strongest benzo that u could actually get ur hands on would be Xanax...xanax is def. stronger then k-pins and valiums and all the other ones...Klonopin is weak and just last a long time but i had to eat 10 K-pins (1mg each) once when i got pulled over and 2mg of Xanax gets me higher then that 10mgs of Klonopin.. ( this is my opinion and all my friends agree with me and anyone else ive talked to usually agrees but hey we are all different...but i would say most of the population would say xanax is the 'strongest' mainly cuz its so short acting and usually short acting drugs have stronger more euphoric effects then the longer ones...this holds true for opiates too....Heroin, Hydromorphone, Oxycodone are all short acting opiates that produce quite euphoric highs...and methadone and suboxone are loooonnng acting opiates that dont have the the same euphoric rushes the other opiates give u...)
really? wow, thanks for the info Jah, I really thought I was right when I said that Klonopin was stronger Xanax and Valium. Thanks for setting me straight. I ate a 2mg K-pin once and it had a much more potent effect on me than taking several 4mg valium. Perhaps it was just a psychological thing... -V
well over thet last 2 weeks i managed to blow around $1,000 or more on oxys trying to wait till my guy gave me some suboxine.......he never did and i had to keep taking them to get through a huge work week cause i had to landscape 17 small houses last week......needless to say i worked like a mother fucker and got the shit done with flying colors..... i said screw keeping on buying the pills whish was 5, 40mg oxys a day which ended up being about $125 a day habit.....i am so mad at myself cause i had so much more important things to do with my money.....i am rebuilding my 388ci stroker small block chevy for my 1968 camaro SS and owe another $1,800 and a family like is said before... n its really all about the money, if this crap wasnt so expensive it wouldnt be that big of a deal ya know.....and i actually get decent prices ranging from $20 a peice for real OC 40s and $35 for generic 80mg oxys.......oh well i hope i can kick this habit one day!
jakel Man I hate to say this and am only telling you this becasue you are already a hard core opiate user and to help you out financially. If I had my wish I would want you go to rehab or even go cold turkey and get this shit out of your life for good. aThere is always a methadone clinic if you can't stop also.But If are not going to stop and still going to do hard opiates no matter what and you are spending that much every 2 weeks on OC's and have as bad habbit as you say. You are far better off moving to Herion as much as I hate to tell any one that. Its a hell of alot cheaper then pills and is more powerful, you will get a harder opiate and spend less money. I know you you feel man I have been fighting a pill and Herion addiction for over 12 years now. The only thing that helped me was a Methadone clinic. It made it so I could live a normal life again, Without Methadone I would eather be dead or in prison buy now ? Good luck man I hope you beat this shit I really do !!!
yeah but see thats the thing....that was just a benge cause i was waiting on the subs ya know.....i sometimes stop for a few weeks and clean up and stuff.....dont get me wrong i spent alot of money on that shit but the last 2 weeks was way more than i ever have cause i got kinda hooked day after day....ya know how it goes...plus i had much more money than i normally have and the pills were just right up the street......anyways this shit is tough and for once i wish i could just put them down and get back to living.....even though when i have the pills im living fine but its when you dont have them like im sure everyone knows....
well been clean for 1 week now and am getting back to normal.... 3 days were pretty bad but i found 3 suboxines that took the bad stuff away for the most part. now i dont feel 100% perfect but i can for sure get through my day without this stupid drug. after almost 10 years of off and on use i dont think i am gonna fuck with this stuff again.... you know what though, why does the best thing i enjoy have the worst WDs and cost th most???? dammit hehe jake
been feeling a little under the weather since a few days ago..... i wonder if i need to break 1 more suboxine in half and space it out between a few days???? i dont feel back to normal yet for sure but each day is getting better...... i hate i cant just cant have fun with these things and this not happen! OCs and tabs that is.... but its been about a week and a half or so since i have taken any opiate other than 5 soboxines with the last 2 broke in halves to wean off them but i think it was a little too early.... maybe a few more days? what ya think? to guys who have been through this heavy usage WDs not just the regular 1 or 2 day ones with a pill here a pill there kinda guy
Glad to hear that man I really am.It made my day hearing that you are getting off the shit and getting your life back now, Keep it up man.Dude give it time even after you stop all opiates its going to take a few months befroe you feel totaly normal again. At first its pretty bad nothing is fun, every thing sucks,you get depressed easy, all inall the first few months life is a drag with out opiates running threw your blood.But it will go away I promise you that your brain chemistry and feeling haves have to get use to life with out opiates again and this takes time. Just take it slow man and keep it up. also When your clean for a month or so is when the hard part comes. The Physical part is hell but the real hard part for me is always the mental part after I get clean and get over being sick. I feel great and trick myself into using again. and within a month or so I have a habbit again.You will get tons of cravings man I can tell you that but they will go away just don't act on them and use. Don't let that Fucking Devil on your shoulder take over. I wish you all the best man any time you need someone to talk to just IM me, Thanks for sharing man !!! ERIC
thanks man...... its just i think i needed a few more days on the suboxine..... i was saying it was all good but that was cause the subs were doing theyre job.... im really pissed i let myself get so bad on these things cause now i know i cant just take them and have fun every now and then like the rest of the people..... i know if i get off these i need to leave them alone forever cause i like it more than life itself and life isnt life without it.....
I just wanted to wish you the best with everything jake. I know what your feeling and I hope that you find the strength to get past the cravings and everything. You have a lovely family and when it gets tough, try just thinking about them. I know that that's a double edge sword at times, but it's what helps me the most when I'm having really bad days.
thanks gal! give me a shout on myspace when you need some info on the trans am! i just got my stroker motor painted chevy orange last night and on the engine stand.
