responsibility for others?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Jack Maundrell, Dec 2, 2007.

  1. Jack Maundrell

    Jack Maundrell C.A.P

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    this is a simple question? Is it wrong not to take any responsibility of others? No matter what the circumstances. I do think it may be selfish but is it wrong?
     
  2. hippie_chick666

    hippie_chick666 Senior Member

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    I would say that it would be wrong not to take responsibility for your child, but another adult? I don't see why an adult should be responsible for another adult's actions. There are some exceptions, like doctors and such, but no, generally one should not be responsible for another adult's actions.

    Peace and love
     
  3. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    It depends what you mean by taking responsibility - you can't be responsible for another person's behaviour, but you might be responsible in other ways - it could be as simple as looking after a sick friend or something similar.

    'No man is an island' is a true saying - we all rely on others constantly even in order to eat and survive.

    To have a sense of responsibility is a sign of maturity.
     
  4. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    I love the saying "No man is an island" :) and I pretty much agree with everything you just said.
     
  5. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    Compassion is what paves the road to God.

    Without it, you can't get there.



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  6. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    realization of unity. we are evolving individually and as a whole. selfishness can only be brought about through ignorance of this unity. there's ultimately no evil, no wrong, only ignorant behavior-though ignorance is the root of suffering and might as well be evil itself. lack of light.
     
  7. Jack Maundrell

    Jack Maundrell C.A.P

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    yyy I'm gunna disagree Ignorance isn't bad, neither is being selfish. You sound like you want no individualism? no self identity. I don't like that idea because with no new individual thought, nothing new would come about. I can waver on how much we give compared to how much we recieve in life. But it sounds like you just like to give. without taking. lets say everyone did that, nothing would get done because no one would take anything.
     
  8. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    I think is exactly the opposite way, if everyone was focus on giving, everyone would be receiving.

    Edit: Ignorance and selfishness are beyond bad. The idea of unity allows us to grow more as one and that's what we really are. The idea of you being a sepparate being from the rest is nothing but an illusion.
     
  9. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    Jack, our uniqueness is vital to our evolution, but what reason do we have to cause pain to those we come in contact with other than ignorance? on the other side of the coin, no individual can be evil. we are god. this is why i said ignorance might as well be equivalent to this strange idea of evil we have been taught. lack of light.
     
  10. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    also, autentique made an excellent point. if we all were constantly giving of ourselves, no one would ever need to take anything.
     
  11. Jack Maundrell

    Jack Maundrell C.A.P

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    all i'm saying is ignorance isn't totally a bad thing. frankly I wouldn't want to understand everything. what if you could understand why a serial killer kills, you know his thoughts his emotions and his logic. as you understand him you can't help but sympathize. individualism also creates competition, exploration among others. thats why capitalism works. overall the best choice is moderation of giving and receiving.
     
  12. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    You are most kind, and evidently wise too.....:)
     
  13. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    competition isn't the only mindset that can inspire an individual to strive for greatness. capitalism will collapse when the individual can see his/her true potential and ceases to rely on the outer world as a source of motivation. if you could understand a killer, you wouldn't have to hate him/her any more. you could see why that person was that way and avoid taking steps toward that path. you could help others not to stray into that state of mind with a better understanding of its mechanics. ignorance is only good to someone who wants to live in an illusory world. if we can see the negative, we at least know what needs to change.
     
  14. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    Thank you Bill!! :)
    I always enjoy reading your posts because of the wisedom they carry in them, so it means a lot to me that you think I'm wise too :), though you might be a little delusional haha.
     
  15. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    what is wrong is to not act out of conscience and self dicipline to avoid contributing to the motivations for the policies that create the conditions that cause suffering. to be completely indifferent to learning what in objective and honest reality these values are that statisticly from all of us add up and create those incentives.

    and while all, or nearly all beliefs, motivate us to want to avoid causing suffering directly, few if any, avoid motivating us to take their cookbook word for it and ignore objective evidence of the actually mechanism involved that creates the conditions and the motivations for the policies that create the conditions that we all, every living creature, experience.

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  16. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    Suffering inflicted upon another is caused by one thing only. Lack of compassion.

    When you learn to feel your brother's pain, you will automatically see to his well being as you see to your own. Whatever lines you once used to divide the two have been removed.



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  17. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    well put.
     
  18. Moon_Beam

    Moon_Beam zaboravljas

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    It depends, taking responsibility as in hospitality is only being kind, we are all here together, we will all go through crap at some time why not lend a hand when it is needed, who knows when you need someone?

    In a legal sense it is a duty of care, you can't just stand by and watch something happen or someone do something, unless you are at risk. I guess, this is fair, people are people, doesn't matter who they are we all feel the same pain and emotions, so why not look out for eachother.
     
  19. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    in my experiences, whenever i was convinced there was no point in helping others, i later realized that this was just a cop out brought on by my own frustrations, expectations and dissappointments with others. this is all much more about what kind of person you want to be, what you think can (not should) be expected of you. expectations of others is a pointless waste of energy. anyways, much luck on your journey, man.
     
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