Holy SHIT! House Passes New Internet Law Without Any Review!

Discussion in 'Computers and The Internet' started by skip, Dec 6, 2007.

  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

    Messages:
    12,907
    Likes Received:
    1,872
    The US house just passed overwhelmingly a new law called SAFE that targets Internet kiddie porn. Only two representatives voted against it, one of them was Ron Paul!

    Turns out this isn't just about kiddie porn...

    It's about the gov't now forcing websites and Wi-Fi companies to keep track and report on every abuse they find out about. And apparently it's about ANY or "Certain" illegal activities. It's not real clear here...

    This law was passed without ANY PUBLIC scrutiny or review. There were last minute changes that the lawmakers didn't even get to see, yet they passed it anyway, in a RUSH, using a process that is supposed to be only for non-controversial topics.

    This law may infringe upon Privacy rights and puts a huge onus upon websites like this one to cooperate or face huge fines starting at $150,000 and imprisonment if we fail to provide information.

    No more COURT ORDERS apparently are needed. We now must play INTERNET COPS! That's the jist of it!

    Is this fucked up or what?

    http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9829759-38.html?tag=nefd.top
     
  2. Adderall_Assasin

    Adderall_Assasin Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    I haven't read a lot of articles about this but it sounds very intrusive to privacy. It's good to know that authorities treat everyone like a sex offender.
     
  3. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

    Messages:
    14,932
    Likes Received:
    3
    and clearly it's useless against actual dangerous predators.

    there were some news stories about it when the bill first went to committee, but not enough to shake americans out of their stupor.
     
  4. farmout

    farmout All who wander arent lost Lifetime Supporter

    Messages:
    8,814
    Likes Received:
    63
    this is alfa foxtrot uniform, pure bull crap!
    more of the same from this braindead regime in dc.....
     
  5. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

    Messages:
    3,959
    Likes Received:
    9
    You could always go offshore for hosting.



    x
     
  6. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

    Messages:
    3,959
    Likes Received:
    9
    Actually, this appears to be so broadly written that the courts will pick it apart in no time.

    This looks to be a bill passed more for the sake of political visibility than solving any problems. It "looks good" while having ro real chance of enforcement. It's one of those turds the house passes everytime they think they're being watched.



    x
     
  7. AndalucianDog

    AndalucianDog Member

    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0
    What bullshit. How would they even plan on monitoring all the images that people are looking at? There's fucking billions of them.

    At least Ron Paul is still showing that he has common sense, isn't just another political sheep, and is for the people. Our govt is so fucked...

    (BTW, hilarious sig pic xenon :))
     
  8. Adderall_Assasin

    Adderall_Assasin Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    In my opinion, law enforcement just uses acts/laws like this to stretch their powers. Also, they might stretch this out to have an excuse to produce related evidence against someone who is not remotely charged with a sex offense.
     
  9. moop

    moop Member

    Messages:
    228
    Likes Received:
    0
    This is what the SAFE Act requires: Anyone providing an "electronic communication service" or "remote computing service" to the public who learns about the transmission or storage of information about certain illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name, mailing address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's "CyberTipline" and (b) "make a report" to the CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about the person or Internet address behind the suspect activity and (d) the illegal images themselves

    does this include all the pictures on this site of people doing drugs and stuff?
     
  10. floydianslip6

    floydianslip6 Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,051
    Likes Received:
    0
    At least currently the act only covers "illegal images" pertaining to child pornography.
     
  11. Adderall_Assasin

    Adderall_Assasin Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Moop, my response is based only on the quoted statement you posted.

    This only applies to website and server operators/providers that know about kiddie porn or their webservice. It does not apply to drugs, violence, or anything else. The reason I say that is because of part (a): " the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's "CyberTipline" ". You wouldn't report drug-related incidents to the missing childrens hotline unless it involved missing children.

    Basically, no you don't have to do anything. If you are a normal person, you are not required to report kiddie porn. Furthermore, this quote does not imply that drug-related activity needs to be reported.

    Honestly, I should read the whole act myself. Skip, would this apply to both you and I?
     
  12. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

    Messages:
    12,907
    Likes Received:
    1,872
    Well I think the worst parts are the vagueness (yes it may get struck down for that) and the fact that it circumvents the entire legal process. No more subpoenas needed! Just write an email to a webmaster and if they don't remove what they tell you then YOU are the criminal!

    That's as fucked up a thing as I've ever heard!

    You're a criminal without a legal process just cause someone abuses your service!

    And yet you are required to KEEP the image on your server, which would seem to be an illegal act itself.

    I think they've found the perfect catch-22 setup to shutdown any website or service they choose.

    But this is part of a BIGGER concept that they are still hiding from us.

    The idea that someone in our gov't can order any service shutdown without due process of law, is absurd!

    Indeed they are always thinking in worse case scenarios and I know what it is on their minds.

    They're planning to quell a revolution in real time.

    They're afraid of what could be organized via communications systems.

    Mass actions can be organized in real time, so they want to be able to shutdown communications just as quickly.

    That is the REAL REASON behind this law.

    They continue to use the "Kiddie Porn" FEAR card to restrict our liberties and privacy even further.

    It is not about kiddie porn anymore than the whole immigration debate has to do with border security or terrorism.

    It's about CONTROLLING CIVILIANS. Their actions, communications, movements, etc. The more info they have access to and can control, the easier it will be for them to STOP the flow of information completely.

    They will be able to identify, locate and remove PEOPLE of interest very quickly.

    They'll be looking for:
    Those who send out "certain" txt & email messages to their groups of friends
    Those who originate such messages (they can track back to the first posting of a mass message)
    Anyone else in those people's address books on their phones, internet accounts, or anyone they've ever contacted, etc.

    So you see little of this ability to track domestic communications back to their sources is really going to help track down child molesters, because they already have all the legal means to do that! But now it requires a court to OK any action.

    So the real reasons are:
    It's to counter an insurgency.
    It's to keep control over the masses.
    It's to be able to monitor, spy and compile information about EVERYONE, innocent or not.
    It's to "ensure" domestic tranquilty at the price of freedom, privacy and democracy.


    It's nothing less than the rape of our Bill of Rights.

    Why should we expect any more from this corrupt, warmongering, powermongering administration?
     
  13. Adderall_Assasin

    Adderall_Assasin Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think you nailed the truth to the wall on this. The government (or certain officials) seem to be getting trigger happy. They are willing to label anyone they want as a criminal. I thought there was an amendment that stated civilians had the right to Due Process.
     
  14. Adderall_Assasin

    Adderall_Assasin Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
  15. floydianslip6

    floydianslip6 Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,051
    Likes Received:
    0
    Skip, while I completely agree with your above post you and I both know they don't need to pass a law to shut a communication service down or circumvent due process of law.

    History is littered with people being held without cause, civil liberty violations, and agencies stepping outside the bounds of the constitution/ rights of citizens both in America and all over the world. This has occurred and will continue to occur both now and after the next fear mongering act "they" think up.

    Same shit different decade.

    While that doesn't make it something to be ignored, I don't think it's something to be feared anymore than Patriot Act II, Patriot Act I, and all the other nonsense bills that have been passed without my personal consent. There's no stopping the landslide at this point. I'm just waiting for the day to come when I actually have to move out into the woods.

    Besides, as vague as it is, it's still vague in the general realm of kiddie porn and minors. So no need to fear for hipforums yet. We probably still have a few more years till it all hits us in full swing. Till then, lets party like it's 1984!!
     
  16. id0317

    id0317 Member

    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    0
  17. Adderall_Assasin

    Adderall_Assasin Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't think this ACT could be amended that far unless people are downloading/uploading kiddie porn.
     
  18. id0317

    id0317 Member

    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    0
  19. WalkerInTheWoods

    WalkerInTheWoods Member

    Messages:
    735
    Likes Received:
    0
    It doesn't look like this has been voted on in the Senate. Hopefully it will not pass there. Write your Senators.

    How nice, Hillary is a cosponor of the Senate bill.
     
  20. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

    Messages:
    12,907
    Likes Received:
    1,872
    Of course, once this is law it's a simple matter to add more "offenses" to the bill. What's worse is it sets a precedent for incriminating people, adding peoples names to a list of the worst sort, without their knowledge, without police or court involvement, without subpoena or due process of the law.

    Sorta like what this administration has done at Guantanamo, denying people their HUMAN RIGHTS.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice