feeling of almost a telepathy of some kind

last night i was tripping by myself just getting intouch with my inner mind, and i noticed that any song i listened to i could tell if the song had been inspired or influenced by psychedelics. not just a hunch but i KNEW which were and which werent. almost like i was getting in touch with what the musicians were thinking when they wrote it. i felt so connected and so utterly complete. it blew my mind as i was thinking of why they would put that individual note in the exact spot for exactly that length. i felt like some of these musicians are geniuses, on par with einstein just in a different field.

anyone else feel like that can weed out the songs influenced by psychedelics when on acid? i figured out many songs were influenced in that way that dont at all appear to be so when sober.

 

yes, it's common i think

 

wtf I already responded to this exact post and it must have been deleted.. either that or I traveled back in "time" hahaha.

 

Do not forget that we are all ONE, sharing the same "knowledge database" hahaha
You just found out the "password" to access this one hahaha

 

i hear what you are saying.

i am a musician and i can say with the absolute certainty that the musicians who came up the song or riff on psychedelic drugs didnt know why they put that note in that exact spot for that long. when a musician plays an instrument on psychedelics they dont stop to 'think' about what they are doing. it is not like you might imagine. it is all about letting it flow through you. when i pick up the guitar and write a song during a trip it feels like something larger than myself is actually playing me - in other words i have absolutely no idea how i came up with any of it - it just came to me in a way that had me playing every last note with amazing timing and placement. it is like riding a wave.

i can not take complete credit for the music i write as i feel like i am only an instrument played by something larger.

people who try to write music based on their knowledge of musical theory when they are on psychedelic drugs are in for a difficult trip. until they learn to stop thinking about it and just play it they will never come up with anything devine.

a true musical genius knows how to let go of their thoughts and let the music flow through them.

i have been playing music on psychedelic drugs for so long that i can 'channel' music very good after i smoke a joint without psychedelic drugs.(i can play with psychedelic feel without tripping)

 

Um, what about Bach? lol
It's not about 'not thinking' about 'how to play', it's about being able to 'think of how to play' while at the same time allowing intuitive inspiration dawn upon you in the midst of technicality. They are equally important, soul and brains, because soul is what causes the mental connection and if bright enough causes tears and euphoria through divine magnetism. But brains on the other hand, are what allow the soul to come forth from the collective consciousness through one individual and are the means for automatic response of receptivity and emanation. When music theory is practiced and controlled to the point of ease and comfortability, creativity is given the green light to pour forth, because practicing scales, arpeggios, etc. work the fingers (in the case of guitar) and the mind and this gives the means with which to proceed 'divinely'. You cant lift a car on it's side if you havent worked your physical muscles, and likewise you cant touch people's hearts through the medium of music if you havent worked the conncetion of nerves between brain and fingers. Creativity, especially the feeling of having thought 'dawn on you' does come from other than ourselves. In fact, all new thoughts come from other's and when they dawn on us in moments of solitary mental contemplation, even those thoughts are described as "I was just sitting there and IT CAME TO ME." Same with music, but like how God is the string on a necklace that holds beads together, so music theory runs behind the divine inspirtation of music, like a new train running on old tracks.

 

you are obviously someone who thinks about what they play. justify all you like. real good music is felt NOT thought. it is kinda like saying you shouldnt be thinking about what you are doing when you meditate.

i take it i spelt divine wrong.

anyways,... all it takes is a brief moment with an open mind to understand what i am saying.

jimi hendrix didnt know what he was doing! so is the case with many musicians... obviously you learn what sounds good with what chords and so forth. the more you play music the more you get a feel for what sounds good.

relayer - take yourself out of your own way of looking at it for a minute and contemplate what it is that i am saying.

music created by thinking about what to do will not be as divine as music that comes strait from the heart. even if someone does not know what scales to use or what should sound good they can learn very quickly because when you play the wrong note you will notice and probably not play it again. learning as you go and playing from the heart is always best.

 

No, this is not what I said 3xi. I said that you need BOTH in order to appeal to anyone than just yourself. Playing from the heart means nothing if you have no idea HOW to play a musical instrument. I never said that soul, which is what you are talking about here, is not important, in fact it is THE most important aspect in the creation of music, which is exactly what I said. But what I am saying is that without the know-how, the soul has NO MEANS, WHATSOEVER, with which to be projected out from your solitary experience. Yes, I do on most occaisions think about what I am playing when I play it, but that doesnt mean that in ever session I sit down to play that I am obsessing over the linguistics and visual mental organization of that which I am playing, it's simply 'in the back of my mind', so to speak.
Again, would you say that Bach's music was not divine simply because of the fact that it was technical perfection? Because I say that it is most divine. Opinions differ but to take the stance of negation you lose the grounds of perceivable validity.
EDIT - Though I am not arguing your last sentence, learning as I go and playing from the heart was how I devoted myself to teaching myself half of Bach's lute, cello, and viola repitoire. -

 

honestly i dont think you know what you are talking about. or maybe i dont understand - were you disagreeing with me or what?

i am completely self taught and i play from the heart. i dont know very much theory at all and many people (other than myself) love my music.

by the sounds of it you are a novice musician. you try to play - you dont actually know how to play. you think too much and lack the ability to let the music flow through you. how can i say this with certainty? because if you were the type of musician who can let the music flow you would be agreeing with me - you would not be suggesting that thinking about what you should do next is the right thing to do. music flows through time and space if you hesitate even for a split second to think about what you are doing you have ruined the feel.

if you heard me play you would want to know how i do it. the less you think about what you are doing the better the music you create will be. even the words that come out of your mouth will seem like they came from a far away place as they flow out of your mouth. there are many ways to create music and many people like music that was created in a way similar to what you describe. in my opinion(and many others) the best music in the world is created in the way i have already described.

 

A novice musician? 3xi, I am not here to measure myself up to you or anyone else, nor am I here to judge you or myself. But did you not read that I taught myself to play half of Bach's stringed instrument repitpore by ear? Not to mention several peices in entirety from Mozart, Albeniz, Tarrega, Segovia, and many others.
And why do you assume I dont let music flow through me? I am the one who every chance I get posts about how reality is in itself Sound, the sound Om, and how we are balanced out waves of controlled and specific vibration. Do you really think that I have no clue about 'soul' in music? Come on man.
I never disagree with you on the fact that soul is what counts, and soul IS what you are talking about, true, undifferentiated, pure emotion in music. But if I have no hands, how can I play guitar? lol or if I never picked up a guitar in my life, how exactly is my playing from the heart going to even be worth considering?
What I am saying is that you need both. Wether you learn music theory in school, teach yourself chords and progressions and scales, or however you do it, you have to know to a certain extent WHAT it is exactly that you are doing. I also do not know the names of scales, I never took one class or read one book on music theory, I taught myself just like you. But i TAUGHT myself, not just played my heart out and bang Im Jimi Hendrix.
If you are going to assume that I am a novice musician, and that I would want to know HOW you play your music without ever hearing it, then this discussion on my part is over. I see that apparently you are either avioding my post for preconceived reasons, or that it went way over your ability to understand language. Because I am not disagreeing with you that soul IS what makes music divine, but I do disagree that you just 'play from the heart' and your hands automatically do the work on their own. Hands dont have individual brains 3xi and wether you ACTIVLEY cognize your handiwork or do it from automatic responses (which still takes experience), your brain IS thinking of what to do next. Some people just dont bring it to the forefront of their consciousness, but this does in no way mean it is not happening. -

 

you really should go back and read what i said again.

once you learn to ride a bike you just ride you dont think about it.

 

I read what you posted more than once 3xi, and I say that although you ride a bike without bringing the activity to the forefront of your consciousness screen, the actual mental cognitivie functions, the brain telling the body what to do, is still going on. It's just repetitive so the mind automatically gets comfortable with it and repeats the activity out of habit. That does not mean that your brain is not thinking about it at all, it means that it has already learned so the thinking goes on unnoticed by the person doing the thinking. Which is what I said, and which is what you apparently are disagreeing with.

 

lol he said jimi hendrix didn't know what he was doing.... granted he was a sloppy guitarist at times....but he knew exactly what he wanted. He created the "electric church" and "freakish blues." I suggest you watch any hendrix video or read any hendrix biography before you speak such blasphemy.

on a side note i do agree that music is felt...but if you can only feel the music and have no idea how to put it out so others can "feel it" as well. Then you might as well stick to dancing

 

Amen. My entire collective gathering of posts strained out to two meaningful sentences. Thank you for sharing this because it is truly what I was getting at.
On MY side note, Jimi Hendrix was no Steve Howe, but im just going to leave that alone lol. We all have our idols. -

 

jimi didnt know theory - he played by feel and by ear

jimi hendrix did not learn how to think about what he was doing... he felt it

 

What, are you contacting him from another plane or something?
I think it would be wise to leave a dead man and his 'thought's alone. It doesnt matter how he learned, it matter's what he was thinking at the moment of playing, and being that he is no longer alive, I feel that a statement so assertive as this one is better left unsaid. Or untyped. Whatever.
All of us who create music 'feel' this same thing 3xi. But this doesnt mean that we dont know what we are doing, nor that our brains are not thinking about what we are doing.
I think 3xi that you may not realize that immediate consciousness is different from self-reflective consciousness. To be conscious is to be conscious of something. Because other than this state it is inherintly nothingness. Concentration, attention, perception, these all utizile some sort of 'being' in order to be called what they are called. To be conscious of what you are playing on guitar does not mean that it is at the forefront of your moment of thinking, but you are still conscious of the fact that you are playing guitar, and you are still conscious of the fact that in order to play guitar, your fingers and mind have to work together in order to produce sound. Soul travels in through this means. -

 

Hey Baby/In From the Storm

 

I used to think about music all the time, I would be a mediocre guitarist while trying to think about everything I played to the point I would be anxious and not calm at all while playing. I have come to figure out that I have to let go completely. I have thousands of hours practice so that helps. It helps me to see that there are very few notes to play on a guitar and that every semitone and slight pitch variation counts. I have also come to realize that in order to play something that blows away an audience, you cannot focus on what you are playing, you have to focus on a feeling and tap into the soul of the music. The best sessions that I can play are fueled by a feeling. I actually can see the music in my mind manifesting itself with images and colors. It is deeper than myself, I too feel as though I am able to disconnect from this world and become an instrument of some great force. I can now also play most songs by ear. I still glance at tabs once in a while but mostly listening to a song will allow me to play it very well. Like I said once you play for years religiously you see that a guitar is limited to only a few notes. Become one with the guitar and you can express something new with it.

 

i agree with 3xi about the jimi hendrix thing, he was the least technical guitarist of his time. he felt his music, you could tell his emotion just by listening to his live performances. i think i heard john frusciante talk about it. him and his guitar were truly one, i think some of you just took it the wrong way though.

 

Well this is only going to come down to a matter of personal opinion and musical preference, but I of course will still stand by my statement that the brain is activley controling the music one plays because it is just a reality. To say you are tapping into a force and 'being played' as an instrument, to me, is the same thing as saying that a Quija Board actually spells out names from ghosts. But who am I to judge really? Maybe this music ghost just hasent selected me for one reason or another.
As for my opinion, though I doubt anyone actually cares, but Im going to share it regardless, I am not a big fan of Hendrix. Seen his live tapes, heard all of his albums, love his lyrics and I love the blues. But Hendrix just doesnt 'blow me away' if you follow. I think he's great, and one of the best guitar players out there, and his improv skills are wonderful. But they dont rock my soul, so to speak. Who does? People like Andres Segovia playing extremely powerful classical, baroque, and flamenco music. And people like Steve Howe, who if you want to talk about touching God in music, listen to the Relayer album. Wether you dig the sounds or not, the energy in pretty much every one of the man's songs if far beyond, and I repeat, far beyond, any guitar player, ever. lol My opinion of course, but Im just not blown away by blues no matter how creative and how heart felt. Robert Johnson where it at anyway.