Love and Rage

Please stay on topic !

You all have read the forum guidelines, have you ?

Relax, and don't feed the trolls.

All off topic posts will be deleted.

 

my ignore button is going to get a workout tonight.

but back on topic - women need to support each other and workshops such as the one the OP attended are a good way to do that. to those who have never tried them, i highly recommend giving it a try. nothing like being surrounded by good positive female energy.

 

You sir, will never learn from your mistakes.

I refuse to 'exlaborate'. And I don't believe you when you say that you don't understand what I am communicating to you. You know exactly what I am talking about. If you were really concerned about discussion you would have prompted people to listen to your posts, instead of barking out advice and asking rhetorical questions out the wazoo. That's right. I didn't insult you, and I said wazoo.

You don't need someone to point out that you are wrong, because you already know that you are but you can't face it. You have too much pride in your wrongness and your own opinions in face that they are mistakes. You can't get me to play your game. You need to know and control conversations without ever listening to the actual person on the other end. You are an empty vessel of a man who is threatened by females and you're too afraid to post any pictures of your real self and a link to your myspace because you are tired of fearing that you are comparatively inferior.

The only truth you have, is that you can never learn from your mistakes.

Shame.

EDIT: This post will self-destruct.

 

LMAO...

Look at this!!!! *D3C* Just joined today and his first post was to get Lady of Freaks attention... I'll bet she will have to push the ignore button on you, again BrokenJohnny.

What's wrong? You can't get anyone to listen to your pointless opinions unless you register numerous users today?

LOOK! MansVoice just made his first posts today too!!!! OMG!!! New members today complimenting BrokenJohnny!!!!

*yawns*

 

TROLL ALERT!!

*waves flag*

 

yeah, they're all on ignore. i hope when the OP returns to the thread she won't be disheartened by what has happened here. her topic is a very important and interesting one, and deserves supportive attention.

 

Yeah, I know. I hope so too. I really enjoyed the thread until I started to respond and converse with a poster. Perhaps we can throw some of the baby out with the bath water?

I think several usernames can get a poster's IP address banned. Anyway, thanks for being incredibly entertaining tonight Lady of Freaks, and it's always a pleasure. Night!

 

But they're all so cheesy!

"I have a VAGINA, and you have a VAGINA, and I love you, because we both have VAGINAS, and now we're all going to get guitars and sing to the Moon Goddess and dance with Gaia during the solstice to celebrate our Moon flow, and then we're all going to write poetry comparing our vaginas to flowers/rivers/gardens/hummingbirds/turtles while we have discussions about how we're all so special because we have vaginas."

I'm sorry, I just have a very hard time seeing anybody as anything but a HUMAN BEING, because that's the part of everyone's identity that comes BEFORE male or female, before race, class, or religion. We're all HUMAN first, anything else is secondary and mostly a social construct. I realize gender plays a huge role in alot of people's identity, but all too often, I feel that "celebrating our diversity" turns into "over-emphasizing our differences."

There has been ALOT of attention given to women over the last 40 years. I think if anything, men need to start holding conferences to work on a new definition of manhood, one that emphasizes integrety, hard work (not saying men aren't hard working, there just seems to be a stereotype in the media that it's acceptable and even entertaining when men are "slackers"), and addresses their changing role in gender roles.

 

well, the ones i attended weren't cheesy. and they were very important to me in finding my way in life...as a woman. time well spent. i'm all for men doing positive things for themselves as well. i have two sons and i love men...want to see them thrive as well. i'm just addressing what the OP brought up for discussion in this thread. sorry you had a bad experience.

 

The only definition of manhood, save from the ones media and feminism are trying to push onto us, is that of hard working, confident and responsible.

Feminism tries to draw a picture of men being angry, violent and abusive while media draws a picture of us being stupid, immature slackers. All to appeal to women, scare them in the case of feminism to give it more power and to make you feel good in case of media so you will watch the crap and then the commercials and buy shit. Because lets face it, you spend alot more money than men on crap.

And of course young boys are impressionable and with all this, combined with school teachers telling them the are horrible and suppressing their behaviour, we will have pussified, lazy good for nothing "men" in the future.

The solution is not holding conferences though, it's allowing boys to be boys and men to be men.

 

it is nice to talk with people who listen, who want to hear you, and who you want to hear...without the constant voices of division and negativity shouting you down.

 

One of the most important things we look at in gender studies is that it's NOT all about woman. modern day feminism is not about man hating or being afraid of men- or selling products. It- at least for me. lets not generalise to hard eh? is looking at all sorts of opression and trying to transend. Men are OVIOUSLY oppressed too. And if men want to have support groups, great! hell there were LOTS of men at gthe anarchist eco feminist workshop I made the most about. It was not all about womans issues, it was about supporgting eachother and brainstorming about making a more excepting sustainable community.

And I would rather you not make generalisations on shopping patterns due to gender. Lots of woman may shop...but that's just woman from some societys. not all societys. not all woman in of the world. for example my community I live in personally looks at consumerism as a negative thing...