Numerology - I think I'm the anti-christ.

The thing is, the events and proof I have for myself are so overwhelming that anyone in my position couldn't deny being psychic.

Seriously. Have you ever witnessed the process of removing an attatched entity and switching it to another person - let alone even partake in the event?

Have you ever astral-travelled?

Can you see/feel auras?

Can you see with your eyes closed?

Is your mere presence alone, enough to thrwart any negative outcomes in a situation?

Have you saved multiple lives and defuse a countless number of situations that could of ended in violent disaster?

The fact of the matter is, I was GIVEN PROOF and evidence BEFORE I believed I was Psychic. The proof I got was so overwhelming that I could not-not believe it. I was litterally seperated from my body and travelled to places on earth and OUT OF THIS WORLD.

Like I said before, I am one of the most logical people you'll ever meet, so the amount of evidence must obviously be enough for myself.

So you can either call me a liar or say I'm crazy, but I'm serious.

Now whether or not I'm the anti-christ, idk, but I do know that I'm not your average kid.

 

whoa, i didn't realize you think you're psychic too.

The thing is, the events and proof I have for myself are so overwhelming that anyone in my position couldn't deny being psychic.
yep, been there.

Seriously. Have you ever witnessed the process of removing an attatched entity and switching it to another person - let alone even partake in the event?

Have you ever astral-travelled?

Can you see/feel auras?
no, no and no.
but i have had experience in clairvoyance, telekinesis and divination.

Can you see with your eyes closed?
No, but i thought i could for a brief moment when i was on drugs years back. Quite a few of my (ex) mates have had the same experience. Turns out one is squinting.

unless you mean... sensing objects when you definitely 100% have eyes closed. You see black but you feel an object in front of you (without touching). I had this experience also when I was delusional.

Is your mere presence alone, enough to thrwart any negative outcomes in a situation?
no, and I think anybody would be making false conclusions if they thought this. Maybe I don't understand what you are trying to say.

The fact of the matter is, I was GIVEN PROOF and evidence BEFORE I believed I was Psychic. The proof I got was so overwhelming that I could not-not believe it. I was litterally seperated from my body and travelled to places on earth and OUT OF THIS WORLD.
yeah sure, obviously the proof comes first- the same thing happened with me...
I didn't explain myself very clearly in my last post... 'stage 1' was just being open minded. 'stage 2' was getting psychic experiences.


I am one of the most logical people you'll ever meet
You are very sure of your brain's reasoning ability, which naturally means your brain is not quite as good as it could be. Its arrogant, so it can't analyze itself. I'm not suggesting you aren't clever, in fact I'd take a guess that you never wrote a lot down in lessons but you still got good marks on the tests...

lets not forget, your 17. Your brain is not fully developed yet, and it won't be until you're 25. I used to think the same thing at your age. You kind of grow out of it. I've been there.

So you can either call me a liar or say I'm crazy, but I'm serious.
No, I call you normal.
You believe in Gods, spirits, souls, the paranormal, and in yourself. Most people in the world believe in the same things, and have done for thousands of years. Its only very recently that a small percentage of people have started to think differently.

 

I'm really interested in this discussion between you two--Hala and Bl4ck3n3d. I keep trying to stay out of it, but I'm continually tempted...

Hala, I respect you for your striving for objectivity. I would just like to offer the following: You were once biased in favor of considering yourself psychic. It seems to me that, instead of reaching a middle ground of objectivity, you've switched to a position of being biased AGAINST considering yourself psychic. What do you think? Bias is bias, no matter which side you choose...true objectivity is the true goal.

I'm not altogether sure what to think of Bl4's thoughts about being the antichrist--he keeps surprising me, and there aren't many people who can still do that. LOL It seems to me he has a slight bias in favor of considering himself psychic, even though he obviously has a lot of evidence to back that opinion--and I strongly relate to this myself--though I was very, very cautious in finally accepting some of the psychic events that seemed to be happening to me about seven or eight years ago that led me to my current state.

Hala, it may be that you are NOT psychic--but I see where Bl4 is coming from, because I find myself in similar circumstances--there are some things that cannot be ignored, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have experienced MANY psychic insights. You may be able to, also...however I remember from previous discussions that this kind of thinking led you into problems before, and this is probably a major part of the reason for the current direction of your bias...still, this is something you need to work out in your own time and in your own way.

 

come on in Zengizmo, it is a free speech forum after all...

I wouldn't actually consider myself to be 'striving for objectivity'. Rather, I preach rationality.

I liken psychic beliefs to religious beliefs. I am an atheist, but it would be misleading to say that I am biased against God (although i used to be when i was younger. I was brought up with atheism so I defended it).
The reason is this: I have a lack of a belief, as opposed to a positive belief in something, or that something is the case.

You are suggesting that there is a middle ground for a belief. I'll demonstrate what i think you mean with this scale:
-----------------------------------------l
l-2 l Biased against psychic power (hala) . l
l-1 l ------------------------------------l
l 0 l Balanced, not for nor against psychic l
l+1 l------------------------------------l
l+2 l Biased towards psychic (Bl4ck3n3d). l
----------------------------------------l

I propose this scale is more fair
----------------------------l
l 0 l Lack of a belief
l 1 l considering a belief
l 2 l belief thought likely true l
l 3 l Believer is certain
----------------------------l

with any belief we all start at 0. When the brain recieves new input, whether it be in the form of sensation or information, we move to 1. The brain then has to make a decision whether to dismiss the information, or believe it. All I preach is being rational in stage 1.

The scientific method is rational. Science experiments can't prove that psychic energy exists (no scientific fact). Also no one can come up with an explanation as to why it would happen (no scientific theory).
At the same time you can prove that people believe in psychic powers (scientific fact), and there are psychological explanations to why this is (scientific theory), AND these explanations have been tested and been found to be likely true (nothing is certain in science). Therefore, whether or not psychic energy does happen to exist, it is rational to believe it does not.

 

It may be rational to belive it does not exist, but it is wrong to do so.

Everything happens for reason - no word of a lie, atleast in my life anyways.

If you knew the shit I go through, all the "coincidences" that occur on a daily basis, you'd believe yourself.

However, it doesn't really matter if you believe or not, as it does not require you or anyone else on earth for it to exist.

Can't really disprove a Universal law. May not be able to prove it exists, but it's still there.

 

If you knew the shit I go through, all the "coincidences" that occur on a daily basis, you'd believe yourself.
i know man. I DID believe this myself. I'm telling you I've been through what you're going through. Although our lives are individual, we've both experienced the sensation of being psychic. I don't know exactly all the shit you go through, but I know all the shit I went through.

Anyway, the post of mine you quoted (#44) was more directed towards zengizmo... I'd love to hear your responses to my post (#42)

peace for now

 

Sure Hala, but sometimes I think it's better to let discussions develop without adding my two cents' worth. In this case, I decided I should add something to the discussion--I may have been wrong about that...

I sat here for some time thinking about your distinction. The question that occurred to me is: Does rationality preclude objectivity, or on the other hand, does rationality maybe require or even presuppose objectivity?

The thinking underlying my statement about a middle ground of objectivity was more complex than the scale to which you've reduced it, however your two scales provide a good way of more precisely defining what we're saying, and I think I can use the scale you've proposed without any reservations, for the time being.

Hala, I understand what you're saying. However it seems to me from reading your posts that, to use your "fairer" belief scale, you show a stage-2 belief in a non-psychic universe rather than a stage-1 belief. The approach you've been taking does not seem like the approach of a person lacking a belief--it looks to me like you have a definite axe to grind, and it doesn't look to me like it's merely an axe of rationality. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your posts...

The thing we need to keep in mind about science is that it's not a body of established facts, but rather a process that generates an evolving set of theories. Usually the theories don't change substantially over time--USUALLY the theories are refined as a result of continual hypothesizing and testing. However in the area of theoretical physics, to take an example, at this point there are myriad theories proposed for the origins of the universe, and the theories don't always overlap. So what you say is true: No one can prove that psychic energy exists. In fact, the very term "psychic energy" assumes a great deal about how the universe is constructed--if there IS such a thing as psychic phenomena, it may have nothing to do with "energy" per se. Someday, with more advanced instruments and understanding, MAYBE the existence of "psychic energy" COULD be domonstrated--we just don't know at this point in time.

The bottom line for me is: I'm not going to wait around for 50 years or 100 years or 1000 years or 10,000 years for science to develop to the point that it can finally establish that there definitely is or definitely isn't such a thing as psychic phenomena. I have my own personal ongoing set of observations and experiments to test my hypotheses against my experiences, and the evidence in my case has overwhelmingly pointed to the existence of psychic phenomena.

I realize that my experience isn't the same as everybody else's experience. But then, my fingerprints are different from everybody else's, and my personality and abilities are somewhat unique in other ways, so it doesn't come as a surprise that my psychic experiences are also somewhat unique.

Yes, I would have to agree that if you personally have not had any psychic experiences that you can't rationalize via psychological or sample-bias explanations, then it is certainly rational to believe they don't exist. This is not true in my case however. It would be nearly impossible for me to believe that some of my experiences have a psychological or sample-bias explanation, because they have been so glaringly obvious.

 

I've sat here for some time as well thinking about my distinction... ... and actually i'll agree with you that rationality demands objectivity.

unfortunetly i no longer stand by my much-quoted post(#46). Thing is with me is sometimes i will write a load of unrelated rubbish because i did not read someone elses post properly. apologies.

What i will say is that yes, i am biased against thinking of myself as psychic because last time it was a delusion.

Anyway, i'm not going to sprout any more rubbish until bl4ck3n3d speaks (at which point i will write a whole page worth)

 

No apologies necessary. And it wasn't all rubbish, and it wasn't totally unrelated...don't be too hard on yourself. I'm just happy to re-read my own note from last night and find that it was fairly sensible, considering the fact that I was pretty well loaded up with vodka when I wrote it. LOL

Based on what you've said about your personal experiences, I think you're probably correct in concluding that your former belief in your psychic abilities was delusional. And I think you have strongly compelling reasons to avoid falling into that kind of thinking again. It's just this: I hate to see anybody throw out the baby with the bathwater. But as I said before, you probably need to deal with these issues in your own time and your own way--unfortunately our emotions have a great deal of influence on us, and dealing with emotions requires more than a rational change of thinking--it takes a longstanding, steady campaign of re-conditioning. It's an interesting and challenging journey you're on, and I wish you the best with it.

 

Quote zengizmo:
I mean, seriously, LOL


THaT WaS CoOl !
hihi

 

what's the point of defining yourself by a thoroughly unprovable mythology of a people you clearly don't believe in?

 

616 does not mean that Nero was the anti-christ.
Back in the day they had to use codes to avoid getting executed for talking shit about the emperor.
It's more like having the same initials

 

Thanx SF, I'm glad somebody's hip to my jive.

 

Try adding it like this; 6+1+6=13 1+3=4 Now your are a 4.

You are who you think you are.

It's best not to let dark thoughts in your heart and soul.

If you invite EVIL in, it will come. Invite only good into your life instead.

Satan is a liar.

Satan will trick you into doing his evil deeds

Satan will promise you something wonderful and he’ll never pay up.

The devil will lie to you. He thinks it's funny to deceive you.

And for your reward he’ll let you burn in HELL for all of eternity.