So how many of you experience the ego loss while buzzing on acid? The reason Im asking such a typical question that has been discussed to death on the forums is because I dont experience it on LSD. I have had it happened to me on magic mushrooms, in fact the last time I ate some within 5 minutes of ingestion I was sitting on a couch and my perception was showing me from behind myself, and I felt my soul literaly leave the binding cage of my body and I was a nobody in mere moments. But on LSD I can touch my soul, and dream around the multiverse but I am still ME, the physical me. I start having visions of the inner workings of mind and body, and I see the blood flowing through me, but I dont touch the chakras and I never leave the confines of my anchor. Even the last trip, which was 8 hits of LSD and ask Stay Loose if you need another opinion on how strong this stuff was, I was still ME the entire trip, not only that but the trip never gets to the point where I lift off into La La Land with acid. But Mushrooms? Whole different story. I know everyone is affected differently and we all react to a chemical in our own ways, but is there anyone else who never has the death of the minor Self with LSD?
i find that mushrooms works good... does like you say. i find that with LSD it can be very easy to stay like you describe. if you want to get what you are looking for with LSD you will have to approach it a little different. if you think that the L will take you there on its own you are mistaken. you have to put in a little effort(or in this case maybe lack of effort!). you can let go with the help of the L - the more you are on the easier it is to let go - but you still have to be the one letting go. on shrooms i find that letting go is almost automatic.
I agree, because with mushrooms, if you try and fight it and refuse to let go, it gets pretty ugly and painful. I actually had the most wonderful meditation experience with LSD, far more clear and comfortable than those with mushrooms, but with shrooms it felt like I had to have the daily battle as usual to choose who will win? The Ego? Or God? (This, actually, is what the battle of Kurukshtra with Krsna and Arjuna battling against the other side. People who think Krsna is but an external deity worshipped in the manner of Christ are truly mistaken and have no grasp on the esoteric representation displayed in the Bhagavad Gita.) With LSD, my meditation was done in a state of already being outside of the mental confinements, the act of prayer came naturally as if I was being controlled, sitting down and asanas was more like falling into time and space, and my devotion sent waves of love uninterrupted by external distractions and internal mental manifestations. But this was after the LSD had run the major part of its course, as the sun was rising and self reflection was long gone. After all, how can one have self reflection when the minor self is gone completley and the true Self reflects the Light of God as it exists? But with L this was not about ego death, it was about devotion, karma yoga, ajna focus and inner radiance. With mushrooms, it was a battle. It always is.
I do remember clearly on mushrooms I got to this point where I just was like, pure bliss. Everything perfect beyond all meaning of myself. It just was. LSD I got the same feelings but it was different. Like I would deduce the same thoughts, the same meanings, the same rationalities. I could clearly see the similarity between LSD and mushrooms and what they reveal. But the difference was, I distinctly remember on mushrooms this sense of just be-ing there. Just floating pure like in warm water. Versus LSD which was like, yes I was there. But it felt more like, being shot from an electric cannon to get there. And just extreme energy flowing through me and harnessing of this energy to be there. I would say mushrooms were all around far more comfortable for me. Which I suppose is probably what you describe there. My ego was probably more intact on LSD which is probably why I felt that way.
It is very easy with LSD, it's just different approach than shrooms. If you are used more on the mushroom way, than you will probably aproach LSD same way and that's where the problem is. As you said, with mushrooms its like a battle, and you are entering prepared for battle, with LSD you should enter with feeling, the battle is over and it is relaxing time. You should have the feeling, here, I swallowed it and I now forget about it, and relax, continue doing whatever you were doing before you swallowed it, don't expect anything, and welcome what ever comes your way. Only than LSD "teleports" you immidiately on the wanted and above described level. If you enter LSD with feeling prepared for the battle, oh man.... you probably declared the war.....
Maybe I didnt explain properly, but with LSD I dont have the struggle, it never presents itself. I simply get high and sure I move towards God consciousness but I dont, like the title, evaporate into Oneness. I experience it all through my sense organs and the essence of mind is only dimly aware of itself. The noumena catches attention for what it is in the present manifestation, not what it is in the 3 directions of time and the 10 directions of space. I can tap into universal consciousness even, but all the while it is a solitary, seperated ME that is watching and experiencing. With mushrooms I battle but the outcome is typically evaporation
“O Krishna, the stillness of divine union which you describe is beyond my comprehension. How can the mind, which is so restless, attain lasting peace? Krishna, the mind is restless, turbulent, powerful, violent; trying to control it is like trying to tame the wind.” Arjuna (Speaking to Krsna) This, to me, is the defining moment of the Gita in terms of a person trying to grasp the Infinte, the All-pervading Spirit, the Egoless Universal Form, and the trouble that all souls go through, in many kalpas, to get Here. As in Being, Here and existing. I think your quotes are nice denise, but even learning how to Be takes just as much effort as does the final merging of the micro to the macro, the personal radiation of Eternal Light filtered out into many forms reversed and sent back to the Source, the Essence of Nature, the Projector of the conceptualized, manifested, dualistic result of creation. We've got to get in to get out - Peter Gabriel. Duality most definitley exists, though its existance is dependant upon the Intelligent Desire to become the Many. It exists in the form of a kind of Dream, a Cosmic Dream, against the backdrop of ether, covered by the delusive veil of tangible, experiencable material reality known as Maya. The filters in the mind that psychedelics bypass are the astral-radio receivers in the medulla oblongota which react with the life-energy (Prana) in order that our bodies dance and move and balance out the waves. The work most definitley needs to be done, and the perfect work is Karma Yoga. Because the only reality is Love, love is the glue that binds atoms together, Love is the Sustainer, and Love is the desireless desire to become the many and is the process by which we reverse to the One. All other manifestations are dream matter, mind stuff, results of diverse thought, but Love is the embracer, sustainer, creator and destroyer, and is the universal form, is the Absolute, and when it is won in our hearts, liberation is no longer a concept of duality, escape, and transendence, but is Reality, Itself. Om! Namah Krsna. -
heh heh... i had quoted two other people from nonduality.com in my post, then decided that words are sometimes a barrier to profound expression. the words i eventually put there are the title of a book (of poems!! :lol: ) in zen, being is described as effortless awareness and there is nothing to be done to "get it" although all the efforts people go to keep the mind occupied. certainly zen monks are staunch meditators and it is said that if the sweat is not pouring off you while you ponder the koans, you are clearly slacking. this usually gets you a whack from the master's stick. i saw a website called theopensecret.com. which, in the parlance, "changed my life." if you had to have a look at it, you would understand where i am coming from when i say i could learn how to be something, but not how to BE. thanks for you. i love reading what you have to say :love:
Same here denise, your words are always welcomed insight and positive positions defining the same thing we are all feeling. The thing about Being however, is that I think its a matter of being ready to let go and be, and the majority of the world just is not ready. Its amazing how much love I have for people, but the sadness I feel when sometimes my words fall on deaf ears, and not religious words but words of pure and honest advice. Advice to just let go, and to not allow anger, sadness, frustration and all of the rest consume the mind. And I try and help people see a way of stepping outside of themselves personally, but in person, this kind of conversation only goes so far. Im sure some of the people who like me for who I am take my words to heart and may even make minor honest efforts throughout the day to practice self control, but in the end I still see sadness and frustration. And I was the kind of child who I clearly remember saying to my mom at 5 years old "Mom, I feel so sad for the ground because we walk on it all the time and never give anything in return, and my heart is hurting." lol I guess I was naturally born with empathy and my problem is that I have trouble dealing with the people who are suffering. But we all have problems, I guess :tongue:
