The word "Christian" comes from the root word "Cretin" wich means idiot, & was used as a darogatorty term in the days of Christ, true follower of "Yeh'shua" Not "Jesus" another darogatory term & misstranlation of a PAGAN diety, were called followers of "The Way" or "Nazarim" meaning "Seperated Ones" In America as well as around the globe "thanks to American missionaries" most of what you see today is a form of "STATE" CHURCH simular to the Sadusees & Pharasees of Christ Time. & most is white-washed PAGANISM Not what the Disciples new & followed, Constatine , The reformers, all the wars in "the name of Christ" were not followers of Christ but from the Roman Catholic CHURCH or mother Harlot & American Churches are her Duaghters. True followers of the Christ know his name, & the name of His Father the Creator of Heaven & earth "YHVH" or "Yahweh" & the trinity is another Pagan Idea. "Our [God] is One [God]" Yeh'shua was [God] in the flesh & the "Set-Apart" Spirit is THE Spirit of [God] in Sprit form, three forms of the Same Diety. Correct Names of [God] are El, Elohim, Yah, YHVW, & Yahweh & Christ means "Anionted one" El is Love not hate, jugdementalism, etc. & if you don't love you do not know El because He is Love. I could go one but I don't want to overwelm you, "Christians" are decieved withwashed PAGANS who need to find Yah for themselves & stop lisening to a Priest, Pastor, Or Rabi, we are all equal & brothers & sisters. non is greater or less than the other. two great reads are "PAGAN CHRISTIANITY" by Frank Viola & http://famguardian.org/ I am brother Bones, Cantheist Minister & Disciple of Yeh'shua the Christ I use Cannabis as a Sacrament. & love everyone! even the one who kills me. Find love & you Find [God], love & its [God] who is loving thru you, seek to worship the Creator of the Heavens & earth & not the Creation, & you will find happiness, & Peace for your soul. Peace & love bB
That seems to me like an extravagant claim, as you don't know until you are actually being killed if you do love the one who is killing you. Better perhaps not to seek to put it to the test - we've had enough of blood soaked religions on this planet. Did you notice BTW that we're now in the 21st and not the 12th century? Just wondering.
& u don't know what I have been going thru the past few months either I know exactly what time I'm in Do u?
Were you partaking of your sacrament when you posted this? The word "Christian" does not come from "cretin". I comes from the Greek root "Christos", which means Christ which (as you later correctly state) means "the annointed one". The word "cretin" with reference to idiots is derived from the Provencal French word for Christian, and was not an insult. It meant that despite the handicap of being "retarded", these "idiots" were human and "Christian". Do you have a spell check program or a dictionary? You might consult it before posting, since your misspelling of the words "which","derrogatory","Sadducees", "Pharisees", "judgementalism", etc., makes you seem like a cretin. And if you truly value peace and love, you might reconsider using epithets like "mother harlot" for the Roman Catholic church. I'm no admirer of Catholicism, but your bigotry is disturbing.
no i was actually sober & I don't have a spell chek SO DEAL WITH IT, & to reply to your stupidity..... “CHRISTIAN” Roots: ‘Idiots’? CHRISTIAN (Christian): the word is Greek, and was derived from a former Pagan usage: CHRESTOS MITHRAS: pure, sacred, good, holy. Roman meaning was interchangeable; e.g., "good Mithras", or "holy Mithras". CHRIST HELIOS: Mandaean. CHREISTOS OSIRIS: Alexandrian. In relation to the Torah, a Christian might well be considered to be mentally retarded; because the actual word that means "retard" or "idiot" is derived from CHRISTIAN: cretin! The American Heritage Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary tells us the etymology for the word CRETIN: cre-tin (kre-tin, kret'n) n. 1. One afflicted with Cretinism. 2. A fool; an idiot. [French, cretin, from Swiss French, crestin, CHRISTIAN, hence human being (an idiot being nonetheless human).] Cretinism is dwarfism and or retardation. Cretin is simply the word that is derived from the word CHRISTIAN, crestin. The questions we need to be asking ourselves are: 1. "What would the Israelites or a splinter group of Israelites that practice the Torah of Yahweh and follow the Messiah be doing with a Greek term used by Pagans as a label for themselves?" 2. “Are we to search out the adopted Greco-Roman roots, or the natural Hebrew origins of our faith?” Knowing there is some relationship with the word cretin, what if the people of Antioch, at first, called the disciples CRETINS (retards, idiots)? Don't fall for the excuse, "we speak English, not Hebrew". The word "crestos" (or kristos, chreistos) isn't English, it's Greek. If we follow the redemption plan of our Creator, keeping the Torah of Yahweh, we are counted among the citizenship of Israel; not a "Gentile", foreign nation. In fact, we are no longer Gentiles at all (Eph. 2:11-13), although we were at one time strangers to the Covenants. After our spiritual adoption through faith, there is no distinction, and no dividing wall between any of us and a native-born Israelite. The main idea that people seem to be steered away from when words like "Christian" are examined closely is that the original word (the Hebrew word, MESSIAH) is not being brought to the table, but is typically kept from the discussion. The word "Christianity" is not found in the Scriptures at all, so there is no such thing in reality. Misdirection is used to convince the listener of supposed facts which are not true, and by simply saying the lie often enough, it will become familiar, and therefore comfortable. In this particular case, the premise is that the original word was this Greek word "Christos", since it is emphasized (by those with an agenda to preserve the error of tradition) that the disciples of Yah’shua all spoke and wrote in Greek. We are expected to pay no mind that Greek was and remains a foreign language to the people of Israel. It's a promotion of the Jesuits to believe that the Messiah and His students spoke to one another, and wrote everything down in Greek. The truth is, Greek was a transitional language, or translation, of the original texts originally written in Hebrew (or the dialect of it; Syraic Aramaic). Remember, all the first "protestants" were Catholics, and they had already been indoctrinated with the Jesuit teachings. What is practically unknown is the fact that there were "Christians" on Earth before Yah’shua the Messiah was born - and they were Pagans. The Greek word "Christos" (kristos) has come to mean anointed, and this supposedly corresponds to the common English transliteration of the title, Messiah, from the original Hebrew. What is not commonly known is that Osiris and Mithras were both called "Chreistos", which meant "GOOD". The word was adopted from gnostic Paganism: The inscription "CHRESTOS" can be seen on a Mithras relief in the Vatican. During the time of Marcion, around 150 CE, Justin Martyr said that "Christians" were "Chrestoi", or "good men". Clement of Alexandria said "all who believe in Christ are called "Chrestoi, that is 'good men'". Rome was the center of Chrestos Mithras worship, so the adaptation or revisionism to the new faith for this title should hardly be a huge mystery; but this information has been intentionally buried. The word "Christian" is only used 3 times in the received Greek texts; and if it were in fact what the disciples called themselves as a "sect", it would have seemed very foreign not only to them, but to everyone involved. Of course, every Israelite (and modern orthodox "Jew") believes in a "Messiah" that is coming at some point. Many of them - in fact most - don't currently believe in the Messiah portrayed by the "Christian" faith in any of its diverse denominations. However, if we had to adopt a Greek word for these practitioners of "Judaism" that related to them as believers in a coming Messiah, then they too could be labeled "Christians". But, the word "Christian" is a very non-specific label when you consider that it doesn't specify who the Messiah is. The true sect that followed Yah’shua's teachings did use a term for themselves, and it was “NATSARIM”, or more commonly, Nazarene (Acts 24:5). Even the "Church father" Epiphanius wrote of the Natsarim sect, whom he called "heretics", because they observed the Commandments of Yahweh and were indistinguishable from "Hebrews", except that they believed in the then present Messiah. Greek is a corrupted, polluted language, having many Pagan deities' names and titles associated with it. Since Yahweh has told us that one day He would purify the lips of the peoples to call upon His Name and serve Him shoulder-to-shoulder (Zeph. 3:9), it's unlikely that the word "Christian" will be preserved after that purification takes place. Acts 24:5 states that the sect was called "Nazarene", derived from its Hebrew root "NATSARIM", or "branches/watchmen", not [man]-anointed, or good ones. It was prophesied that we would be called "NATSARIM". Carefully study the text of Jer. 31:6, where he used the word NATSARIM which is translated "watchmen", who will cry on "Mount Ephraim". Those crying out to go up to Yahweh are called watchmen, from the Hebrew word NATSARIM. The Greek has distorted quite a few things, but to believe that they were called both terms (Nazarenes and Christians) would surely be conflicted thinking. The Natsarim were very specific in their labeling of themselves, since their label referred to the One they were followers of, Yah’shua of Natsarith (Nazereth). Chapter 31 is also significant because it prophecies the re-newed Covenant, which is quoted again in chapters 8 & 10 of the book of Hebrews. All Israelites were, and are, waiting for the "Messiah", the Yahweh-anointed One prophesied in Daniel. So by that logic it would be redundant to refer to themselves as a sect of what they all were, even if the label was translated into another tongue, like Greek. The translators simply wanted to separate themselves as far from the Torah and Israel as possible; and it was done by creating labeling that would permanently separate them, and keep "Gentiles" from ever joining the commonwealth of Israel, or even realizing that it was necessary. Realize that "Greek" culture was a very powerful influence on the entire civilized world over a long period; "Alexandria" Egypt (named for Alexander, a famous Greek conqueror), became the center or hub of the cultural world. Sophists, orators who refined public speaking to an art, developed the "3-point" speech. They could convince their audiences of things they didn't even believe themselves! Clement and Origen, two "church fathers", promoted their Christian teaching from Alexandria. Everything taught became watered-down into "allegorical" meanings. In every way, words were used as powerful tools. Platonic philosophy steered their whole culture, and Plato is still quoted in modern seminaries! Mithraists, Neoplatonists, Pythagoreans, Therapists, and Magi were all contemporary cults of the Greeks. From Egypt arose the Hermetic religion of the worship of Osiris. These religions produced the Pagan "fathers" that influenced modern Christianity (Cyprian, Augustine, Marcion, Eusebius, Ambrose, Epiphanius, etc.,) and they quoted from their former Pagan sources virtually constantly, merging what they had been, with what they were becoming - a blended religion, with their beloved Greek culture as the dominant aspect. There already were "Christians" in Egypt, gnostic sun-worshippers who knelt before huge ankhs (crux ansatas). The Serapis-Isis cult used this symbol at Alexandria. When the Emperor Hadrian wrote from Alexandria, he said: "Those who worship Serapis are Christians and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are vowed to Serapis". Ancient Babylonian [pagan] influences abounded then, and abound now, hidden in plain sight. Alexandria was the primary launching point for the new fusion religion we know as "Christianity" today. The word "Christos" is directly related to Krishna, Crestos, and Chreston. These literally mean "shining", as they refer to the sun. Krishna is the sun deity of the Hindu religion. Even as late as 348 CE, Cyrill said: "Let the heresy be silenced which blasphemes the Messiah, the Son of the Mighty One. Let those be silenced who say that the sun is Messiah, because He is the Creator of the sun, and not the visible sun itself." They were calling the sun "Christ Helios". The Manichaeans worshipped the sun as it passed through the sky ALL DAY, and Augustine came from them. The ancient Crestos of the Serapian Culte was worshipped as "the good god", so the word "Christ" is actually a polluted and forbidden word when you carefully weigh the texts of Exodus 23:13 & Duet. 12:28-32. Great darkness results from not properly understanding Yahweh's Word, or departing from it, thinking The Book of the Law no longer has application. The one verse most cling to in defense of the term "Christian" is at Acts 11:26: "And at first in Antioch the taught ones were called Kristianous." (This is the order of this sentence in the Greek). This sentence doesn't claim that the disciples called themselves this, but were called this "at first". Also, as with the English language, the context determines what is meant. If this meant they were mistaken (at first) for the Pagan believers in Serapis, that's one thing; or this could have been simply the Greek translation distorting the original Hebrew word, Messiah. Or, what if this Greek word was not a label, and simply meant "good men"? Knowing there is some relationship with the word cretin, what if the people of Antioch, at first, called the disciples CRETINS, meaning literally, idiots or retards? Why is the Greek label so important that they had to make this single verse in its translation an all-encompassing issue? Again, what would a bunch of Israelites that practice the Torah of Yahweh and follow the Messiah, be doing with a Greek term used by Pagans as a label for themselves? A name for a person or thing is a special designation, not a general reference. Is the Name of the Creator Greek? If the Creator has a religion (way), does He refer to it by a Greek term? Would the Messiah of Adam, Noach, Mosheh, Daniel, and Eli Yahu have a Greek Name or a Greek Title? If we have inherited error, and we obviously have, then we all need to know about it, and not defend it. So what great harm is there in abandoning the Greek title "Christos", and using the same Hebrew word Daniel wrote: Messiah? The word "MESSIAH" is transliterated TWICE in the received Greek writings, at Jn. 1:41 and Jn. 4:25 (it's used twice in Daniel, at 9:25,26). Even the new age cult is awaiting their "Christ"; so why not give them their word back - maybe they'll stop laughing at believers behind their backs for having adopted so much of their philosophy. Give them their "Sun-day" too. Let's return to the Covenant! The Gentiles from the ends of the Earth will one day acknowledge that their forefathers have inherited nothing but lies. "Krishna or Chris-na and Christos come from the same root. Kris in Sanskrit means the pure or the sacred, 'the first emanation of the invisible Godhead, manifesting itself tangibly in spirit' (Isis Unveiled, II, 158), it is the Spiritual Ego (Buddhi-Manas)..... 'The Spiritual, Immortal, Higher Ego in every man is an emanation, like a ray, from the Central Spiritual Sun (Paramatman), of which the visible Sun is the direct manifestation on our physical plane and its visible symbol.'" The conclusion drawn from this study confirms once again that the faith was "solarized", and our customs and words are rising up to prove it. The prophet YermeYahu (Jer.) told us: "O Yahweh, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the Earth, and shall say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit'.
Yes, it's derived from the French word for Christian, as I explained in the previous post. The French Swiss were Christians when this term came into usage, so they weren't putting down Christians by using the word to denote compassion for the retarded. By the time of Jesus, Palestine had been conquered first by the Hellenistic Greeks and later by the Romans. The Greek language and Greek ideas were in widespread use. Saint Paul's mission was to Greeks and pagans, and he wrote in Greek. Jesus' language was Aramaic, not Hebrew. So do we all need to be circumcised, keep kosher and do mitzvahs? So what great harm is there in regarding Jesus as both?
If the shoe fits wear it if not leave it alone.... I should ask do you seek the Elohim [God] of the Scriptures? & His Son Yeh'shua , if you do remember this, Luke 6:46 why do you call me Lord, and do not the things that I say. ...& else were in the Scriptures it read... If you love me keep My Commandments, [So do we all need to be circumcised, keep kosher and do mitzvahs?] is this a Commandment? DONT MOCK YAHWEH, or do it at you own risk. I am not here to judge,condeem or belittle, just say that if you believe & are seeking Him to remember the 1st. Commandment. Time is short & "lukewarm [Christians] will be vomit in [Gods] mouth" (paraphased) so if your gonna be a PAGAN "Christian" why not just be a "PAGAN" & have some fun while it last. I fear Yahweh not MAN. I just wanted to add a little insite in what we call "Christianity" & ask yourself is this what [God] had intended? If not why are we still doing it? (by those with an agenda to preserve the error of tradition) "In Vain they worship Me teaching for Commandments he Doctrins of men..." In love, on the Name of Yeh'shua the Messiah. brother Bones:
Messiah? More like Mashiach. Duh... The term Krishna in Sanskrit has the literal meaning of "black" or "dark", and is used as a name to describe someone with dark skin. Deva means "shining one" in Snaskrit. Krishna is not the sun deity, Vishnu is according to Vedas and Upanishads. Krishna is either an avatara of Vishnu or the Bhagavan (Lord). Nazarene does not mean branches, it refers to one "seperated" http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Yeshua/yeshua.html "The word "Christianity" is not found in the Scriptures at all, so there is no such thing in reality" This is my favourite line ever...that is like saying because the word moose doesn't appear in the bible that they don't exist... And finally for the claim that cretin came from "Christian"... Other speculative etymologies have been offered: From creta, Latin for chalk, because of the pallor of those affected. From cretira, Grisson-Romance creature, from Latin creatus. From cretine, French for alluvium (soil deposited by flowing water), an allusion to the suspected origin from inadequate soil. This is like religio all over again. (PS- I don't even know why I wasted my time with this)
HaMashiach (ham-mah-SHEE-akh) The Annointed. The Messiah (John 1:41). Occurs over 500 times in the Brit Chadashah. “The Christ” in Koine Greek. SO WHY DID YOU? but I agree.... Did you ever wish you could start over...?
sorry 4 starting such a ???? thread I did not intend to debate "christianity" I am sick, & my head is not on strait so please forgive me My intentions for coming to this site was to find "cool" "like-minded" people & friends close to me. (in Colorado) As well as share my experiances, trials, & tribulations, WITH THOSE WHO WANT 2 KNOW & not start debates, each person here is responsable 4 their own choices in the path of life they choose to take & I just want to make friends & threads like this are gonna make more enimies than friends. So again sorry, I am dealing with alot of stress & am new to area & dont have my "Sacrament & Medicine" so fogive me if I came off corse & uncaring. please continue, I will be over here in the corner crying,,,,, (sorry 4 the typos & spelling errrrorz I don't have or can't find a spell chech on this site So SOUND IT OUT OR DOANTE A COMPUTOR) bet wishes, brother Bones:
Best wishes to you, too, brother. Sorry we had to get off on the wrong foot here, but I wish you the best in dealing with your pain, and will keep you in my prayers. You had the grace to apologize, and I hope you will accept my apology if my comments offended you. By the way, a lot of what you write is very knowlegable about things few people know about. I'm curious to know how you came to these views. Have you heard of Ebionites? How do you regard them? What is your view of Paul and his relations with the Gentiles? And yes, I'd like to hear about your experiences, trials and tribulations.
