Truce!!!

Some people raised objections to the way this thread was going and some people raised objections to those objections, claiming that the debate was healthy.

What do people want to achieve?

What is being achieved?

Are these 2 things the same?

Are these 2 things opposite?

Should the effort continue?

 

Freedom of speech. exchange of ideas. if a debate is not 'healthy' one can just ignore unhealthy remarks and concentrate and reply to the healthy ones.

 

Clearly, Dejavu won. It would be funny if he disagrees with me, however.

I can't speak for everyone, I am willing to accept that there may be as many answers as there are people. I just wanted to examine ideas that seem underrepresented.

It seems there is (at least) one erroneous idea that is causing most of the world's problems. This mistake, simply stated, is - What one knows is all one needs to know.

I want everyone to question and challenge every form of unnecessarily constricted consciousness. Whether the idea is "Eliminating evildoers is our only option," "All beliefs but mine are delusional," or, any other variation of "My fear of the unknown is more important than anything," it prevents you from living fully in the real world.

Ideas and beliefs (one's own and others') are being re-examined, re-considered, and hopefully, adjusted to fit reality a bit more closely.

It happens to me every time.

That could be a big question. Any answer says a lot about how one understands his or her relationship to reality.

So,

No two things are the same. Two identical atoms may be two different physical manifestations of the same thing, but they are two different things.

and

All things are the same. That is, all are part of a single unified whole.

To answer your question (or, at least, what I think you were really asking), however - I think, when it comes to debate, what people want to achieve and what they DO achieve are almost never the same. I imagine people debate in order to express their own ideas rather than hear another's ideas. But If both parties are actually listening to one another then they might learn something they might not have otherwise learned.

I hope I am always surprised by a healthy debate.

I don't see why they would have to be opposites.

Yes!

Otherwise we are all, in effect, stranded on our own islands, trapped by our own horizons.

Peace and Love