pills and stuff tend to remove you from reality. well. i mean afterwards. even during actually. i mean they dont make you your-self. say you have a girlfriend or wife, and you start doing pills. and do the pills, and you return to your life, and your girlfriend or wife can tell that you arent the same person. a bit differnt. and they hate it. and its true. your not 'all there" in the way that you were. a bit less in areas. compared to say acid. acid puts you into reality even more, and you go back to your girlfriend or wife, and she is happyer with the way you can now relate to her or talk to her in such a deep way. other drugs are bad. when i get married or have kids i wouldnt deffinatly not take those sort of drugs. it removes a peice of you from the world and people can tell. it slowly gets worse and worse untill you realise youve lost your GF or wife.
i have to say acid can do that to you too, as much as i love and adore it... there is no such thing as reality. only perception. there is no good or bad. only opinion. i think there are a few drugs that do make you into someone you are not, mostly alcohol. but i don't think mdma is one, i think when i've done mdma i've been more myself than ever, because the fear goes away.. and it carries over into sober life. anything in excess can fuck you up, but even then it's not a guarantee. some people can eat everything they come across and remain a stable person and be all the better from their experiences. some people can roll/trip once and lose themselves.
yeah i agree prismatism, often the openness, understanding and good experiences you have on E can carry on into life after the trip. Which is why it was first used therapeutically...
yeah....im defiantly way more me on e then sober. cause then i just do what IIII want, say what III want and way more accepting to people and there ideas basically im more agreeable
Your experiences are SOOO immensely different than mine I don't even feel like arguing with ya. And of course I'm talking with the OP.
what is 'you'? i think its stupid when say drugs make you someone youre not. no one is ever the same all the time. i think what people mean usually is whether you are being considerate. when people lose consideration, their friends or family think they arent being cared about, or like the person isnt taking account of things to do with the relationship. or like people are not putting their loved-one's needs ahead of their own. but everyone is who they are at any time. drugs instead bring out different aspects of who you are, and your loved one might not like the aspects that are brought out by certain drugs. alcohol for example definately makes a lot of people MORE who they -are- in my oppinion because they express themselves more. same with ecstacy, though sometimes the expressions on E are more like reactions or states of appreciation, which are a bit different to expressing one's thoughts. though, both drugs do bring out thoughts that are normally held back by anxieties. i think during an acid and a mushroom trip, i was the least like ive ever been the rest of my life. afterwards, its a different story, but during the trip yeh i dont think people would have thought i was being 'myself'. so i think in the end it comes down to whether the parts of your psyche you are expressing. and whether your loved ones like it or not
word. the reason i say alcohol changes you into someone you're not is because of all the really horrible things people have said to me while drunk, i can't imagine that's how they really feel... i guess it is an aspect of themselves, but if i let myself believe that's how they really felt i think i'd lose all faith in humanity. i hate alcohol. i think it makes people stupid. and maybe they're still themselves, but damn, it's a disgusting way to be... only in the people who have that reaction to it, but a lot of people seem to. i think you can make a distinction. i think you're always you. but you can be in tune with who you have been in the past, who you are at the moment, and who you can become, and be in tune with everything else... or you can be completely off target with everything, and floating off in a world where nothing seems to touch you. but i think it would take some really serious abuse for mdma to take you to that place.
i dont think you's understand what i mean. i mean rather, that some of these drugs make you "out of it" or in a fantasy world, for days, and your in this fantasy world and you forget things, and do and say things subtly differently, and your girl, or family can tell you have become differnt. or that youre "not all there". lost in thought and fantasy to deep. make you depressed and mindfucked, and removes you from reality. so you may be a little duller for a while. and its your girl, or family that can tell the most. and they dont like it.
I definitely understood what you meant. I think the better question is "What is reality?" Is it the world you've previously defined before taking a chemical? How is a chemical reaction any faker than the "norm" you've previously experienced? You seem to find reality to be very 1 dimensional and fixated. I see the opposite. I see reality as a multicolored rainbow of different elements, changing egos all combining to make up the present moment. This thing changes constantly because we all change 24/7 100% of the time. Dreams, drugs, soberness, happiness. All are as real to me as a tree, but I think you would argue differently. Am I correct in this?
just like you can tell someone is different when theyre ON drugs, you can tell theyre different when they come off drugs, because it takes days or weeks (depending on the drug) to get back to a chemical baseline that is normative. people only tend to like their loved ones more while under the influence if they are being open and positive and funny, with positive energy. mdma comedowns always involve negative energy and hostility/discomfort.
yous can stick up for the drugs all you's want. live in denial whatever. its true that they do that, and you can make up all the philosphical bullshit you want, but ultimatly its true. in fact its important to accept that, and realise what its doing, before you loose everyone you care about. ya end up being an E-tard or somthing like that, just not there, to out of it to give thoughtfull sensitive ansers or have real conversations anymore.
im not tryin to bash drugs here, but rather create awareness as to what it does/can do. and if yous think it doesnt, than its you's that are most at risk. drugs do-do harm
So pretty much you're not gonna argue your viewpoint, just restate it as fact? Alright well you can't argue with someone like that so good day! Keep being sober, I'll love every minute of my life while you cry because drugs are changing you so much. Gimme a goddamn break.
dont try to project your problems onto other people, peter, it doesnt come across well when youve known drugs effect you badly for over a year now but youve taken heaps of shit in the past year compared to any other year of your life. anyway its true that drugs like ecstacy and alchohol and speed and heroin and benzos fuck up your head totally by depleting the very resources your brain has for thought. and its true that high frequency cannabis and psychedelic use hinders the efficient organisation of your brain. drugs dont do good things to your state of being, they are onnly good in the moment you are on their high, and every other moment will be less good as if you hadnt taken drugs. the possible thoughts you gain from drugs can be good and they can be bad. but when youre so passionate about putting down drugs you just end up looking like youre referring totally to the fucked up experiences that you have had with their effects on your thoughts, which you KNOW is more intense than most people, yet you still insist that a very specific thing will happen to everyone who takes drugs? in one post you say it is a risk that can be reduced by being aware of it, in another post you say someone is in denial if they have another way of looking at drugs in their life? its pretty a pretty confusing stance
i feel strange writing this post. i dont usualy get into many arguments. tho i have written in a very strange sense i think i have. strange, since dosing on the weekend. maybe i dont really know what im on about, just i guess, i mean, if you only take a few drugs now and then, than its ok. but if your doin 4-7 pills every weekend, for months which is what me n my friends have been doin. then i guess me and my friends took 4 PMA pills 2 weeks in a row and that fucked us alot. it did remove me a bit alll those drugs. so i guess im just sayin i wasnt myself, and my family and stuff could tell. so i guess thats my perspective on this situation. and i sapose moderation is the key.
yeh i think as a guideline, people shouldnt take a quarter or less as much as that, sp often the effects of the drug will not reach such a critical point of disturbing your relationships.
I definitely agree with what you wrote. Drug abuse is no fun game and does change people. "Abuse" is a personal term though. Some people can roll every week and be fine, others (like me) scoff at that. I've definitely felt at times that if I didn't slow down a bit I would stay in a different state than before. Personally I know where that line is (and as a responsible drug user, you should too. You being everyone) and can manage things fine. All's well.
Yeah depending on experience drugs can change your personality for the good or bad. Drugs can make you think in ways you would of never had before. Drugs can make you more open minded or more of a dumbass. It just depends on the individual man. I'v seen people that are peaceful and after years of drug abuse some how it re-wired there brain into a pyscotic angry fuckhead that ended up killing someone and before they did drugs they would of never killed someone. I slowly watched their personality change over time too. If you want I can tell the full story.
