No such thing as metaphysics

Dont get me wrong. Ive tripped on Acid. Ive seen the flying eye and all the Indian stuuf with the women with six arms and crap. But it isnt really metaphysical. Its only whats know as "critical naturalism". Its a matter of semantics really. Because it might as well be "metaphysical", but its really not. Its a part of our naturual structure thats not really accessible but through the minds eye -mostly thru psychtropic subsatnces or other experience. I only saw it once when on acid given tto me by a girl i really liked that i wanted to love.I think love is the key..

 

right fuckin ON, yes.

 

If you're using drugs to encounter "God", you're more than likely only encountering the attic of your own mind. It stores a lot of things in there. The door normally remains closed, but it can by pryed open.

If you want a eye to eye with the divine, you'll have to move beyond the mind altogether. You can't take it with you.

Not there.



x

 

dude you've gotten really far down the line, obviously, but the line is really circular and the circle will close.

your mind is god. the floor is god. when your nose runs after coming in from a walk in the rain, it's god that your snuffling down and it's god that's falling from the sky and it's god that gives the day the feeling of being a Wednesday when it is a Wednesday, it's god that you turned & pushed to open the door to get into your house which is god and think your thoughts which are god. all of it is god.

the circle just gets bigger. and it includes taking your mind with you just as much as it includes NOT. EVERYTHING is an "eye to eye with the divine". the point is, i think, the idea of "metaphysics" is like saying that things happen which aren't natural... like, if i am so "enlightened" that i can lift a chair with my mind, it's outside the laws of physics. but if i don't know how to cook a casserole (which i don't) and you do and you cook it, what am i going to do? am i going to debate the existence of the casserole, as it sits in front of me? am i going to speculate on whether or not it was good or bad or possible or impossible or what laws does it break? no, that's just silly. i think that's the point.

 

i think i messed up my point a little with saying that if i lifted a chair it'd be outside the laws of physics. the point is, it isn't, as much as someone doing something you don't know how to do isn't. there's nothing that is impossible to do, you just might not know the methods, and might have to figure out HOW to do a certain thing before you can do it.

 

but you see, God can or cant be real now, cuz if everything is God, that means that we are God, and then if you look at that then why would we look at him as a molecular being in space you kno like as and extra being? if we are him!!!? so in knowing that, we have the potential to go beyond, to travel light years away from home, to see things happening somewhere else. we as humans havent reached this point yet, but soon all humans and all living things will change, and the earth will change with it, no more pain, no more possesion, no more filth. being God means having the key to the universe. stay clean kids, take organic psychedelics ONLY.

 

that time when the earth changes exists outside of time. it's already here, tune into it. this is just my opinion, but nothing is gonna happen that is going to make a lightbulb go off above everyone's heads simultaneously and from then on everything is bodhi. some people are there. some people have been there and left. some people are on their way. some people wouldn't know what i'm talking about even if they thought they did because it just hasn't been their dharma, but they are on their way too. i don't even know what it is, because it's always growing and changing.

i've been there and fallen out and i know i'm gonna fall back in again so in some sense i'm there already.

you are always god, it doesn't matter what you think you have or don't have, can or can't do, because you are GOD, you have and can do *everything*. including submitting yourself to willful amnesia to dance in duality.

all psychedelics are organic , organic = carbon based.

sorry if i made no sense or came off argumentative, neither were my intention

 

yea as carbon based life forms on this planet we have potential to communicate and order ALL living things to be in harmony. we can accomplish this but, with all the fuckin corruption in this world rite now we can't. let's look at this time we are in as an obstacle. we will fight, die and live to stay on our home. we have to take everything away and start all over. rebirth Earth!!!!!

 

if a thing exists it isn't "meta" anything. but there is no intrinsic exclusion of nonphysical existence, and there is certainly no exclusion of mystery, that things can exist, and almost certainly do, beyond not merely our knowledge, but our immagination as well.

as for simultaniously denying both knowledge AND lack of that same 'knowledge', yes, this is, on the face of it, just a wee bit oxymoronic. and yet there is a sense, a feeling if you will, created by that sense of the mysterious, that can at times be quite gratifying, and 'speaks so' so sort of emotional 'need', or perhapse 'addiction'.

at any rate i love the unknown, and feel, however illogically, that the unknown 'loves me'.

so i think the problem with mystacism is when people take the concept too litterally, which all to often they do. how people can be adamantly litteral about nonlitteralness, and not realize the anti-spiritness of doing so, is itself baffling, though in a far less gratifying, even anti-gratifying, way.

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hahaahahaa !

well man, let me tell you this, you have gone through a very nice trip.

i never taken any drugs, i never smoke, i never drank anything with alcohol. therefore i never tripped.

but i can say that metapsychic stuff is real, from my experience. and im not talking about subconscious stuff

 

This is probably the ultimate hipforums post. By that I mean that it's stupid, nonsensical, inaccurate, illiterate and about drugs.

 

you just perfected it! the one thing it was lacking was a snide comment that doesn't contribute anything but insults every poster in the thread.

i'm not even sure if i'm being sarcastic or not. haha.

 

By definition the prefix meta means either beyond, beside, or after. In this case attatched to physics it means the theoretical study of anything beyond what could be defined as measurable physics. For example studying the nature of the mind would be a metaphysical study.

 

Metaphysics means "beyond physics". Physics means the laws we already know about and can measure. Metaphysics is about the things we do not yet "know", or "prove" as "scientific fact" etc. Basically the stuff people are yet to convince the world about, or even things beyond that

So by saying "metaphysics does not exist" (a phrase which made me laugh heartily by the way) you are saying we now, at this moment in time, know everything. Everything ever. This is so ridiculous i nearly spilt my drink

My thoughts

 

Great post, and very funny.

I believe what the original poster meant was things of a particularly esoteric or spiritual nature which are a part of metaphysics are incorrect or do not exist. Basically atheism.

This is related to a similar subject I have been pondering recently: psychedelics and spirituality

This has been a subject of interest to me for some time now and I would like to get some peoples' opinions on it.

Are psychedelic drugs vehicles of divine knowledge and transcendence to dimensions beyond our own? Or are these perceptions merely subjective phenomena which can completely be described with chemistry and no mention of the divine or spiritual?

Or a combination of both?

In lower to moderately above average doses, psychedelic drugs are portals to the inner psyche, and allow us to perceive new functions in the mind which were buried in our subconscious before. In higher doses where ego-destruction occurs, one's mind or "soul" can re-emerge with a higher "source" consciousness. It is at this level, where the ego ceases to exist, that doses are conceived as "spiritual." Even while these phenomena do have metaphysical ramifications and explanations, they also have explanations in objective reality which are based on chemistry and the body-mind interconnection. This does not make them any less spiritual or important, it is only saying that something spiritual and something chemical are occuring simultaneously. The existence of one truth is not exclusive and does not rule out the other truth, they coexist.

Some people will say that it is purely chemical and there is no such thing as spirit, soul, or god and that every bit of ia trip is entirely out of your own mind and nothing else. I disagree with this.

What do you think?

Let's start an intelligent debate here.

 

the word god is basically useless at this point. westerners seem to be structured in thinking of the divine as a Singular and seperate entity. Even in your description of a pantheistic relationship with all of existence, you still equate that realization with preconcieved notions of a singular "God". Is the word God just a type of emotional or EXPERIENCIAL marker at his point?

To say that God is what makes it feel like a Wednesday, youve already seperated that Wednesday essence from yourself, and on top of it have categorized the source as stemming from that singular entity concept.

Im sure you have your own subjective perception of divinity, pantheistic by the sounds of it. How does God (capitalized seems to be refering to Yahweh specifically) fit into the scheme? Language is a hell of a thing, and it seems pretty rare that we convey EXACTLY what we mean to convey. But a singular "God" seems totally off the mark in describing any sort of "divinity"

My problem in relating is that words like divinity and god have lost all meaning to me. I'm glad they have lost meaning, because before meaning was imposed on those words by the culture.

 

well said.