Now that the Labour party and the civil service have shot themselves in the foot by devolving Scotland and Wales, isnt it about time the English parliament was made up only of English MP's. Why should some Scottish geezer have a say in my politics if I cant have a say in his. Its ridiculous and this triumph of modern political thinking that was devolution must spell the end for the UK. The labour party thought it could save the UK by allowing scottish MP's to have a seperate talking shop but the teeth of the scottish politics would be in London. This was a laughably naive view and now the scottish assembly is biting westmisters ass! The most logical position is this: If the affairs of england are also debated and voted on by scottish MP's why can't English MP's vote in the affairs of Scotland at a local level too. Similarly why should Scottish MP's be able to claim expenses from both the scottish assembly and westminster? Devolve England - Separate scotland and wales from England now!!! I demand and English Parliament and the end of the "United Kingdom"
someone's been reading Saturday's Independent... not disagreeing with you at all though, just saying...
What logical sense would there be for the breakup of the United Kingdom? I mean, I hate to disagree with you, considering you demanded it and all....
Well I think I aught to declare independance for Cornwall whilst we are all at it. I also see no benefit to anyone with the breaking up of the UK, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. 1+1 do not always necessarily make 2, logic can be mis-representative of reality. Excluding people from voting in parliament because they do not have a vested interest in the outcome is ridiculous really, taken to the extreme every MP would need to justify an interest in every single issue he wishes to vote upon, obviously daft. Parliament is made up of the good and wise we elect as a population to judge and make sound decisions for us, regardless of race colour or creed.
Personally id love it if wales had its own pariliment and independance, we could do a lot better for our country than parliment does right now.
Welsh agriculture is hugely subsidised by the British government. How could you possibly be better off? Come on guys, think about some of these things practically. A blind idea of nationalism does no one any favours....
The Welsh rely heavily on the Parliament. Being a part of England, ironically, is the only thing that lets Wales have any decent say on anything that happens. If Wales became independent we'd be so insignificent. Also, I'm sure it would make alot of hassle for people who constantly go back and forth Wales and England.
To the OP: Some regions of england were balloted as to whether they wanted a regional parliament soon after scottish devolution; it fell on its arse quite miserably.
I agree with the notion that the welsh voters see the role of the welsh assembly as a talking shop, not a parliament as such, and perhaps England and Wales should keep some sort of alliance, but really I am totally fed up with the fact that these scottish MP's want the friggin cake and to eat it !!!! Now If our English MP's can waltz into the scottish parliament and vote on scottish issues I agree that scottish MP's can come here and vote on issues affecting England. If that is not how it works then what is the point? What is the point of pretending that England wants any more controls over the affairs of scotland? Lets do the right thing and make it so no MP elected in Scotland can vote on the affairs of westminster and England, or let us make it so that English MP's can travel to scotland to vote there and in Westminster. Otherwise who has the power? The scottish mp's who can vote in two parliaments of Great Britain, or the English who can only vote in one. I no longer consider this to be The United Kingdom of Great Britain but merely England, Scoitland, Wales, and Ireland I am english and want to kick the scottish MP's out unless English and Welsh Mp's can vote in Scotland!
I think it's because of your Anglo-Saxon surroundings, and the fact that you're English, that you don't understand what it means for the Celts to keep their heritage. Having their own parliament isn't just about politics; it's about the entire nations heritage, and an independent feeling from England. Granted, they don't have full independence, but what they're achieving now is a huge boost to Scotland's own heritage and in many cases to the other Celtic nations. I don't think it's something England can't comprehend, really.
No I understand that completely. I do understand I know its important for the Welsh people that they retain a cultural identity, but theyre not fools either and even some members of plaid cymru would see the reason why a completely devolved parliament in wales would not work. I believe the voters also believe that Wales and England should have some common political and social bonds. Without wanting to go too far into the politics of wales my point is almost entirely directed at scotland, whose people seem to think their MP's should have the right to sit in westminster and in the scottish parliament. To my knowledge the scottish and Welsh situations are vastly different at this juncture in time. The scots are much closer to full devolution. I just want westminster to give them the push they need to fully devolve and get their MP's out of westminster, or else if scotland does not want that, then our English MP's should sit and vote in the English parliament and also the scottish parliament too - all or nothing - the situation is not the same with the Welsh as the people there did not vote to have a seperate parliament with the same powers as a scottish parliament. The Welsh sought for, and got an assembly rooms for debating issues of impoirtance to Wales that could be carried forth to westminster in effect and with very much more limited powers to control their own affairs than the scottish parliament
No, the whole point of Plaid Cymru is to push for Welsh independence. It's literally their first priority aim. 'To promote the constitutional advancement of Wales with a view to attaining Full National Status for Wales within the European Union.' - Plaid Cymru aims. To be honest, I don't know a whole deal about the Scottish situation, but honestly I don't see what the problem is. Scotland is still a part of the United Kingdom, and still has a right to have a say in the British parliament. And I'm sure we've had a vote for a national parliament, but it failed miserably.
well the problem is that scottish MP's have the right to vote on English politics but English MP's do not have the right to vote on scottish politics. I say that if scottish MP's can vote on English affairs it is only right that English Mp's can vote on scottish affairs, or else let the Union of the United Kingdom be devolved and kick the scottish out of westminster. I watched some Welsh news on Cable TV BTW and I know I saw2 some Plaid Cymru supporters saying that they believed there should not at this time be a completely devolved assembly and that they still preferred at this time a union as the economic situation was not right. Unless I totally misunderstood. I realise of course that Plaid Cymru is a Welsh nationalist party with the aim of splitting from the union of the UK but still there does seem to be room for debate within that remit
Once we have an English only parliament, a Welsh only parliament and a scottish only parliament. These nations will be devided forever. I think we should keep it as it has been for centuries. Although the whole political bolero needs to change to save Britain from being completely ruined.
LOL Britain as a concept is already ruined. After the 2nd world war we needed to import cheap labour from the colonies because Britain hadnt got enough money to police their slave labour from afar, and so if the British couldnt get to the colonies, the colonies would have to be brought to Britain. This melting pot/salad bowl approach has now completely broken down and more to the point any semblance of social cohesion has broken down into a greedy frustrated poor class and a smug "I'm all right jack" wealthier class, with some religious fruit cakes thrown in for good measure at the edges. LOL save Britain, no we have moved beyond that. Britains only hope is to join Europe as separate regions
OK I'm not going to lecture everyone why i think wales would benefit as an individual state, because for one i will get tempers flaring and we all all have our views, I'm just just fed up of this attitude from the English and labour like all you want to do is TELL us how we should run our society and political system, all they do is, as plaid cymru rightly puts it, is to scare the welsh into believing that independence would completely damage our economy and we wouldn't do any better running our own affairs. What factual evidence can you provide for a prediction, without speculation, that wales cannot operate on its own? Why should we have to share an identity with England and Scotland? we are completely different cultures, we would struggle? that is complete nonsense ! Economically we would impose our own laws and taxations and become a global market within the EU to compare with the success of other small European nations. I think the only reason the English parliament is so against it is because, with your oh so patriotism and pride about the great former British empire and England as it is nowadays, wouldn't have been anything like it is if it was not for the support of Wales and Scotland. Of course we can afford to be independent, that argument is just ludicrous. Plus, welsh citizens, are precisely that, 'welsh' not 'british' we have our own language and culture and society, what is so wrong with not wanting to share that with the rest of Britain? Ok so maybe we're not sharig it in the sense of the word, but i dont think that multi culturism benefits either Wales OR Britian. The fact is, it boils down to that Britain may need Wales, but Wales certainly does not need Britain.
