Christianity vs. Catholicism

To me, Catholics view themselves as Christians. Christians though if asked if they are a part of the Catholic church would say no. What is the difference between these two and is Catholicism truly apart of Christianity?

 

Well...
your post is a bit unclear.

Naturally, a protestant would never say he/she is part of the Catholic church ofcourse because Catholics and protestant churces are two different churches with their differences... naturally you will not get that answer then.

Christian is a general deffinition of someone that follows a religion based on God and Jesus (to explain it in simple words).
So a Catholic is basically a Christian aswell, but a protestant is aswell.

However, being part of a church makes the difference...

Hope this answers your question,
your post was a bit... vague


Peace.

 

Exactly. Catholic is Christian. Prodestant is Christian. Orthodox is Christian. We are all Christians.

It is like saying...all Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholics...

Why do you not view Catholics as Christians?

 

First, Catholics and Christians for example such as Non-Denominational christians have different beliefs. They both believe in Christ which then I could definatley see the grouping, but I feel that religions/beliefs are separated because of the details and other things. For example, Christians and Muslims both believe in Allah/God but Muslims don't come under the umbrella of the name Christian because of the other things that each of these religions teach. So therefore, it doesn't really make sense to have Catholics be under the umbrella of Christianity if you understand where I am coming from? That's why I feel Catholics and Christians should be separate religions.

 

Catholics think they were the first Christians and Christ's true Church. There was an early split between eastern Othodox and Catholics, and in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries various Protestant churches started breaking away. But Catholics are certainly Christian, belivieving that Jesus was the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary, died for our sins, was resurrected, etc. Muslims don't believe any of those things, which is why they're under a different "umbrella".

 

yup just like today, halloween, a girl at my school came dressed up as a dirty nun...she told me she had offended some christians in the process and felt bad. I told her that if they were offended, thats their choice and really no fault of hers. but thats another story...she asked me if "christians have nuns too." I found that question a bit confusing, because yes, catholics have nuns and catholics are christians. So yea quite a few people seem to use the word "christian" now a days to refer to protestants...and whats more, they actually use it as a word to specifically describe CONVERVATIVE protestants. Im not sure what that makes the liberal ones...maybe they need their own word (people sometimes don't seem to think they exist)
But yes, all Catholics are Christians, but not all christians are catholic. Like Okiefreak pointed out, history shows us that both come from the same lineage...
(although you could make the same arguement about muslims because they too worship the God of Abraham, like Christians and Jews. so then one must just look at the word "christianity" well, any religion that is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ would seem to fall into that category, although some dispute Jehovah witnesses, Christian scientists or even mormons)

 

Catholics think they were the first Christians and Christ's true Church. There was an early split between eastern Othodox and Catholics, and in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries various Protestant churches started breaking away. But Catholics are certainly Christian, believing that Jesus was the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary, died for our sins, was resurrected, etc. Muslims don't believe any of those things, which is why they're under a different "umbrella". Catholics use the Old and New Testaments. They certainly wouldn't go quietly if anybody tried to expel them from the Christian religion, since they think they were there first. A similar question often comes up about Mormons, but they think they're Christian, too. That's why they call themselves the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

 

I would argue that "Catholics" were the first Church because Catholic is simply the term that means universal, so initally all Christians were Catholic, and to an extent to the most eccumennical of people, all Christians still belong to the catholic faith.

The LDS Church certainly views themselves as the "first church" because they are a restorationist movement which "restores" the true teachings of Jesus. I guess to some extant prodestant churches do that as well, but the difference is the LDS claims a seperate lineage than those of the historical lineage recognised by prodestants.

 

LDS claims to restore the original teachings of Christ?? I dont think so. They believe in a entirely new prophet in Joseph Smith who authored the book of mormon, which says that God spoke to him out of a hat or something rediculous like that. Anyway, if they believe that they are restorationists...WOW!

 

Well why not. Muslims belivew they are restorationists of a sort. They believe that Jesus taught the true teachings about God, but men ditorted them and Mohammad restores those teachings.

Angels called Joseph Smith as a prophet to restore the true teachings that were lost in the Two gold Plates that tell of Christ in America.

As opposed to the Scientology south park which claims to show exactly what they believe, the mormon episode which you refer to doesn't and is portrayed not as mormon history dictates exactly....

 

I didn't even know a south park episode like that existed. Christ in America...geez louise!

 

I can make it really simple...(not saying other people havnt put it well)

Christian= 1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings

there for technically it has nothing to do with God...thats why Muslims are not Christian its about Jesus. Catholics belive in Jesus...there for Catholics are Christian...

Love,
Gin

 

From Wikipedia...

"Throughout the episode, characters ask questions about Mormonism, and the story then breaks off to a sub-story about Joseph Smith and the founding of the religion. For satirical purposes, the show deviates from the original accounts of Mormonism's founding by adding extra to stories originally left vague (e.g. the precise location where Martin Harris lost the transcript of the Book of Lehi given to him by Joseph Smith); furthermore, during the narration, an upbeat tune plays in the background, with voices repeatedly interjecting "Dumb, dumb dumb, dumb, dumb" and "Smart, smart smart, smart, smart" at appropriate moments. The show asserts assumed flaws in the religion's founding, which especially concern Stan (for example, that Joseph Smith offered no proof to the general public of finding the Golden Plates, and that he claimed to have translated from a slightly different plate after the first translation was lost while in the possession of Martin Harris). Stan ends up shouting at the Mormons that they're ridiculous for believing in it without proof; they smile patiently and explain that it's a matter of faith, while Stan argues that it should be a matter of empirical evidence. He further lashes out at them for acting unusually nice all the time, claiming it blindsides stupid people like his father into believing in Mormonism"​

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http://www.i4m.com/think/southpark/first_vision.htm This site was pretty interesting too. It comparesd the South Park story to the Churches record of itself and it's formation.​

 

that website is kind of interesting...but kind of stupid. South Park was obviously not trying to give an accurate historical interpretation of Joseph Smiths life. They were trying to make something funny and point out how ridiculous some of the things mormons believe are...Pointing out every historical flaw seems kind of pointless and it still doesn't give a base to the asenine claims of Smith.
But I hope they put that re run on comedy central sometime!

 

"christianity" and "catholicism" are one in the same, only not
the same flavor ;-( In fact "catholicism" is the pagan harlot
mother of "christianity" and she has birthed thousands and
thousands of them ;-(

All "religious systems" are Anti-Messiah.......period.......

DISCLAIMER: The following is written concerning the religious
systems of this wicked world, not individuals. Recorded for
revelation, not condemnation, in hopes there would be those
who "see" and "hear" for they will "come out from among them".

"The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" because of pagan "catholicism"
and her harlot pagan "christian" daughters ;-( Their "imag"ined "jesus
christ" is not The Messiah! It was some five hundred years ago that
they named one head of their three-headed pagan "god", "jesus",
during a time that has been called the "reformation".

An aptly named time! For it was a time when "catholicism" birthed her
harlot "christian" daughters ;-( They were of her substance, and such
substance was "reformed" so that her "christian" daughters might appear
a bit differently outwardly and yet they remained inwardly but pagan
harlots, in love with this wicked world, just like their "catholic"
mother ;-(

"christianity" is but the byproduct of the fornicative relationship
pagan "catholicism" has always had with "the god of this world", "the
father of lies", "the angel of light", "d"evil ;-( Because they serve
"the god of this world" they believe in death ;-( Because they believe
in death they believe death is an answer to the temporal worldly
problems encountered by their own religion and/or their own national
worldly alliance.

All religious systems, muslin, jewish, buddhist, catholicism,
"christian",,etc,, are Anti-Messiah!

Religious systems of this world, all alike they are,
Their "members" have fought, killed and died, both near and far;-(

Then once a week, or multiple times a day they may pray,
And yet as hypocrites they begin each new day ;-(

Days that are filled with deceit and lies,
For in a "religious system" Truth can not abide ;-(

And so the fruit of death is born of religion's way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(

Today's religious systems are of mankind's "imag"ination ;-(
They but build temporal temples of vain deceit ;-(

Faith will not create a religious system.......period.......

The Messiah testified of a "wicked world", and of His disciples
being "in, not of, this world".

John exhorted those who believed "to love not the world or it's
things" for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil
one".

And James testified, "whoever is a friend of this world is the enemy
of GOD"!

Those of this wicked world and it's religious systems are destroying
Creation and The Great Spirit has promised that HE "will destroy those
who are destroying HIS Creation(earth/sky/water/creatures)";-(

May there be those who heed GOD's Call to "Come out of her, MY people"!

All who take heed unto The Only True GOD's Call will exit the broad
way to destruction and they will follow The Messiah on "The Way to
The Truth of The Life"!

The Messiah testified, "whoever lives and believes in Me(His
Teachings and Life example) shall never die."

And then The Messiah questioned, "Do you believe this?" YES!

And you? Do you believe? or do you believe in death?

For those who do not believe in Life,
while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

Hope that there would be those who "come out" of the "strong
delusion" that is the religious systems of this wicked world. Hope
that there would be those who believe in and receive of The Life.
Hope that there would be those who would "experience The
Messiah and The Power that raised Him from among the dead".

Miracles Do Happen! HalleluYAH!

Hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is "receiving a love of The Truth".

Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked
world....... francisco

 

Actually, the one of the first Christians were Ethiopians. Ethiopia became a Christian state before 300 AD. However, they have different beliefs than Catholics and most other Christians so not many people know about their sect. That was something that surprised me when I took an African History course. There was a myth that their queen met with King Solomon and bore his child back in Ethiopia, so they created a legacy which ties them into the Christian world; they were supposedly the first African Jews. When Europeans first discovered Ethiopia, they believed that their legend Prestor John had converted Ethiopia to Christianity, which caused the leaders of Ethiopia to write back to church leaders, telling them that they did not know anything about this Prestor John and to stop claiming that it was he who turned them into a Christian nation. It's really interesting.

Peace and love

 

dl and hc, why continue to post such "his"story-ical LIES?

haven't you "seen" "The Light"?

simply, "catholicism(all brands)" and her harlot "christian" daughters, yes "mormon",
"pentecostal", "jw", .etc., as well, are Anti-Messiah ;-( simply, all systems of religion,
were, are, and always will be Anti-Messiah indeed and Truth.......period.......

when The Messiah was resurrected by Our GOD and Father, "The Kingdom of GOD's
Only Begotten Son" had begun(sadly "bible" translators "imag"ined the term "church"),
and Paul testified of "being translated into The Kingdom of GOD's Son".

The Kingdom was no longer of the earth, earthly, but of The Spirit, Heavenly!

and then when that which was "decaying and waxing old" did indeed "vanish away"
with the destruction of old earthly yerusalem, it was then that The Messiah "delivered
up The Kingdom unto His GOD and Father and was subject unto HIM once again".

"THY(Our GOD and Father's) Kingdom" HAD "Come" indeed and Truth!

A "place prepared for The Faithful by The Messiah"!

HalleluYAH!

and so it was that The Faithful were, and are, exhorted to "set their affections on
things above", Heavenly things, for "their citizenship(Life) is in Heaven"! no longer
are The Faithful of those "whose god is their belly because they mind earthly things",
for "they have no continuing city" in this temporal life!

and while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

for Miracles do happen!

hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving "a love of
The Truth" for they will "see" "The Light".

peace, in spite of the dis-ease("his"story) that is of the wicked world....... francisco

 

Who are you to say that what I posted was a lie? Do you believe that history is just something that someone dreamed up? What proof do you have to dispute it, besides a very confusing post that left me wondering what you were talking about. If you respond, can you please be a little less sporadic in your post b/c I found it very difficult to understand.

Peace and love

 

this guys gone a bit loony don't mind him

 

"peace, in spite of the dis-ease("his"story) that is of the wicked world....... francisco"

Hahahaaa how long did you need to come up with that sentence?
Fucking genious, I cant stop laughing about it.
The chosen one has spoken, lmfao.