pregnancy age?

So basically what you are saying is that you are a nothing more than a dumb animal and a slave to your biology? Whatever your innate urges tell you to do, you do? You are led by your primordial urges, and incapable of intellectually overriding them? That your cerebro-chemistry abounds, and your emotions predominate? You are a devout slave to your id, and powerless to consciously disobey that which it commands you to do? Your ways are not determined by logical reasoning, but by inherent proclivity? You are not consciously responsible for your actions, you are a prisoner of you irrational inner psyche? You do not control your own destiny, your robotic mind controls all that you do?



Your son seems to be a victim of your unexamined motivations. Institutions await those who can't control their biological urges.

The most likely outcome is that he will become just as most are, another nail in Earths coffin. You said yourself that he is a consumer, well it is not going to get any better. This is exactly what I wrote of in my previous post. Your thinking on this matter is bound by your unrealistic ideals. Your optimism cannot be relied upon. Your visions are likely to never be realized. I wonder what Hitler's parents expected of him? Your child (to a degree) is an entity in his own right. I doubt very much that you will be able to sustain your control over him throughout his life. He more than likely shall decide to drive a car, or get a job with a multi-national.



So, you think your child could find a way to save the world. What you have is a 'Mother of God' complex. Why do you not try to help solve the worlds problems yourself instead of placing all of your unrealistic hopes on another? What you have actually done is added to the problems of the world. That and condemned a new being to the uncompromising austerities of reality.



Your son is more likely to become another Saddam Hussein than a Gandhi.

It is a shame that you are so weak of mind that you have to rely on spontaneous external influences to save you from yourself. Perhaps you should work on your willpower a little.

I think you would find that in the manufacture and maintenance of hundreds of thousands of playgrounds throughout the world, much pollution was [and still is being] created. The ground clearance, the laying of surface materials, the fabrication of swings, slides, etc. The transportation of the equipment to the playground location.



Thanks to the worlds playgrounds, mother Earth has lots of holes in her body, and her atmosphere is ill with pollution.

Well then, why did you not just adopt? Many unwanted children are desperate for good homes with caring people. Maybe those who feel the need to procreate should bear that in mind before they create a new life destined for the grave.



You could have made a real positive difference to the lives of those in need. But you chose instead to condemn a brand new being to this hell reality. You could had become a foster parent, or joined a 'big sister / brother' program. You could have taught children in a school or kindergarten, or even worked with orphans of conflict in war torn countries.



Your attitude suggests that you have a short-sighted view of reality. Babies soon turn into children, then adults. And then what? Will you just make yourself another toy to play with for a while?

Yours are the words of one who has lost touch with reality. You seem to be a deluded neurotic. It would appear that actuality is to you an unbearable thing. You seen to have been forced into an exigent retreat towards the sanctuary of a falsely assuaged realm of fanciful illusion. You exist within a perdurable cocoon of delusive refulgence. You reside within a theatre of dulcification.



Many do, and the victims keep on coming.

 

you were told nicely by the monitor of this board to move elsewhere to discuss this and now your just being a jerk. Move on, we're parents and we love our kids. get over it.

 

As it seems to have escaped your [extremely limited] powers of observation, I shall point out to you the following relevant piece of information: My recent posts are direct responses to the posts from others which are directed specifically towards myself.

It is a shame that you did not show your love for your progeny prior to them being created. For if you genuinely did have any love for them, you would have let them be, free in their harmonious non-existence.

And I remind you again, my original post was not aimed at you. If was aimed at those who were considering procreation. So the fact that you feel the need to keep butting in to add such irrelevant and incoherent drivel and abuse is highly unfortunate. At least when you are away in your RV we may have a little peace here, and those with something a little bit more intelligent to say could perhaps seize their opportunity.





"If children were brought into the world by an act of pure reason alone, would the human race continue to exist? Would not a person rather have so much sympathy with the coming generation as to spare it the burden of existence? or at any rate not take it upon himself to impose that burden upon it in cold blood."



Arthur Schopenhauer, from"Sufferings of the World" (1851)

 

This is a personal ATTACK directed to Hadley chick, parents and the people on this forum. Which is against forum guidlines. How the HELL do you know how her beautiful child will turn out? You are trolling. Go away. NO ONE wants to speak to you.

 

first, let me say how incredibly impressed i am with your vocabulary!!! you MUST know truth, to have so many big words to throw around... NOT!

yeah for id!!! id is a good thing. id is not robotic, it is self serving. we are all selfish, if we weren't we would never take care of ourselves, and the human species would have already died out long ago, including the pompass asses. now, i realize that is your goal, that we all march ourselves straight to our graves to save mother earth, but i really like it here and i'm not about to quit breathing to save some trees.

institutions for those that can't control their biological urges, huh? could you please give me directions to that place? must have an 'uninhibited sex ward' for those id-reigned people.

ahhhh.... idealogue, you do realize that computers generate a humongous amount of toxic waste on this planet, don't you? you are pounding your own nails into earth's coffin, as fast as the rest of us. you don't work? don't drive a car? don't use refridgeration? air conditioning? wearing a fig leaf now? c'mon, if we are all so bad and such thoughtless consumers, then tell us how you are modeling your own behaviors, that we may follow in your oh so environmentally correct footsteps. how do YOU live, that you are not a consumer of earth's resources? how do YOU not pollute with your existance? educate us with your ways.

what you have is a armchair psychologists complex.

her son is MOST likely to become the joy of her life and an external purpose for being. children develop a person's superego more than any other factor, in my opinion. what better reason to better the earth that for one's own progeny? back to the id argument, i know - but selfishness furthers the species.

once again, fellow consumer, please enlighten us with your eco-correct lifestyle. you certainly shouldn't be using ELECTRICITY, is yours supplied by coal, gas, nuclear power? do you even know?

ok, a point, moronic though it is. do you happen to know the cost of adoption? the years of paperwork hassle? what about those that are physically unable to have children? do you know anything about the adoption process at all? it's a real hassle, and very expensive.

speak for yourself, brother. my reality is beautiful.

i actually have done that, spent over twenty years working with kids, and there is absolutely no comparison to having my own children. none whatsoever.

yes, babies grow up. and guess what? IT GETS BETTER ALL THE TIME!!! then we don't have to make another toy to play with, our kids give us grandkids, and that's better still.

yes dear, we have lost touch with reality, as soon as you have a baby you go crazy with baby love. something that can only be felt, not touched. only experienced, not explained. and as i'm residing in my "theatre of dulcification", i will also be extremly happy, making my piece of the world a better place with external purpose. you hold those thoughts close to your heart, i hope they will give you as much comfort in your old age as the love and memories of my family will give me. yup, you will be as content in that rocking chair on the porch as i will, secure in the knowledge that you haven't damaged the earth with your virus-like procreation.

man, i hope you have a baby someday, i really do. it's magic. your heart breaks open and you discover what love really is. everything is better, everything has purpose.

 

I don't mean this in any kind of "fuck off and I hope you die" kind of way, but if you think life and existence is so horrible and cruel, why don't you just off yourself? After all, you are just one more parasite sucking the life out of this planet, as much as any of the rest of us or the children we choose to have. If you have the right to live, then why shouldn't anyone else?

 

It doesn't matter what you say to a troll, the debate will never go anywhere.

But calling people 'weak minded', and of 'extremely limited powers of observation' etc., in my opinion crosses the line. This is flaming and isn't mature adult debating. Name calling always makes psuedo intellictualism obvious.

It would be a bit easier to respect this poster if he had of started his own thread, even if it was part of the parenting forum, rather than highjacking another posters thread.

On topic - I had my first at the age of 25, very planned, my second at 27, a happy accident, and I am happily expecting my third in a couple of weeks, I am 35 and this was very planned!

Off topic - I think we are a balance of both instinctual and logical behaviour. To mother is very strongly instinctual (to mate, birth and raise young). It is true that we need to balance our animal behaviour with our logic, but try living without breathing, urinating, defecating, eating, drinking, sleeping, waking, mating, etc. If you are alive it means you must have actively participated in at least some of this animalistic behaviours.

Kathy

 

Idealouge - if you want to discuss the pro's and con's of procreating - go visit a religious forum or an abortion thread. Whether you agree or not with parenting, let others be - no need to be such a narcisist - the world doesn't revolve around you and your beliefs.

 

when i have my baby i wil be 19. this is an unplanned pregnancy but i am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy .

 

It always saddens me when pertinent, valid observations are misinterpreted, especially as an attack!

How you can possibly (mis) perceive that which I wrote as an attack, really is a mystery. Perhaps because you have so much anger within you, perhaps because it is your strong inclination to be abusive and attack people. Perhaps it is because your nature is one of irascibility, conceit, and extreme bellicose aggression, that you are only able to view anything which is just mildly different from your own 'thinking', as an attack! That really is a very woeful situation.

How the hell do I know how her victim will turn out? How the hell does she know? And I do not recall professing to know how it will develop. What I wrote is how it will more than likely turn out. For I am a realist, and she (and many here) seems to be a fantasist.

No one wants me here? I did not realize that I was in the presence of such an omniscient preternatural force, such as yourself! Now that is very arrogant of you to speak on behalf of all. What an assumption.

 

I don't want to speak to you either.
You're an ass, and your over use of big words heightens your insecurity. I am not impressed.
If you think having babies is a selfish and destructive act practiced by oblivious idiots hell bent on destroying the earth, then get your vas deferens ligated.

 

Oh, and check this out;

I have 7 (SEVEN) children!

Count 'em, SEVEN!

 

Who the hell was asking you to? And with regards to your marching yourselves to your graves, well, you seem to be doing rather a splendid job of that by yourselves. And you are taking with you the lives of many others, your victims, your progeny.

Not when they are powered by small scale, off-grid wind turbines and micro-hydro generators.

Even if I was guilty of the things you mentioned above, I fail to see the logic which supports my being as bad as a person who not only does those things, but also creates a new person who is going to do those things aswell. 1 + 1 = 2.

Do not try to change the subject. The question I asked which so riled many here, was of reasons why a person would want to procreate. Nothing else.

If you had read my previous posts, you would actually be in possession of the knowledge that I follow a principal and lifestyle of least harm. This means that I still live well, but without leaving hordes of victims in my wake.



Some things I do, and refrain from doing:



I am vegan.

I only buy organic food.

I will not procreate, I will not add to Earths cancer.

I do not work for an unethical, profit based, consumer-worshipping company.

I do not drive a car.

I only buy what I need.

I buy food in bulk to save on road trips, and prevent waste from packaging.

I do not go shopping because I have nothing better to do.



There are many other things which could be added to that list, but I hope you get the point. Anyway, this is pure digression. The subject of my original posts is reasons for wanting to procreate. It would not matter if I travelled everywhere in a helicopter, at least I would not be condemning to death another person. At least I would not be creating a new person who would then fly a helicopter and produce twice the pollution.

The joy of her life. A joy founded on the exploitation and condemnation of another. Pure selfishness.

You write that as if it is a vital thing to do. But I am yet to learn as to why that is so. What exactly do you mean by 'furthering the species' anyway?

It is a shame that you find those people who adopt and rescue unwanted children to be moronic. It speaks volumes about yourself.

Adoption process too much work? Too expensive? Yes, far easier to ignore the needy and create new grave fodder. Listen to yourself. You appear to be very lazy and utterly selfish. Not good things for anyone to be. Not exactly virtues of extolment, and not exactly the qualities of desirable guardians of children.

And what of those whom are physical unable to procreate? If only there were more. For stupid people only understand one thing. Not logic. Not reason. They only understand force, and power. The force which renders a female a lifelong nullipara, is a blessing to us all.

The dream world of delusion usually is. The palace of denial is surely a luxurious abode.

Well, a comparison between one whom continues to work with children for the benefit of the children, and one whom creates their own children for purely self-serving purposes, is clear. The result tends to view more favorably the slightly more altruistic person who does not procreate. It is simple logic, for one outside the bubble of delusion anyway.

Oh, so your toys then make you more toys to play with when they become less fun. How nice for you, reminds me of how a virus multiplies.

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It is a shame that you cannot achieve contentment by less destructive means. A real pity that you cannot achieve happiness through any other way which does not involve causing damage, death and pain.



I only hope that you one day shall realize exactly the true severity of your ill-ways. It is my observation that willful procreators tend to lack circumstantial awareness.

 

I did not have the right to live. My life was forced upon me. I did not have a say in the matter.

Now, if I was to be granted a choice, non-existence, it would be.

The more pertinent question here is: What about the 'right' for one to remain non-existent?

 

I agree.

The posts in this thread validate my words. Not flames but accurate observation.

And no name calling on my part, plenty from others. The ones pretending to possess knowledge and discernment, are very quick to try and knock me down. Their attempts are pathetic and borne of exactly what I mentioned here previously.

If you take a quick look back over this thread, you would find that my posts are certainly not the first ones to be made which do not provide information of my age during pregnancy. My posts were made as a direct result of those members whom posted off-topic posts themselves expressing a desire to procreate. Now expressing a desire to procreate is off-topic, no you not agree?

That just proves my previous points, made here. It validates that which I wrote, and shows that my words are not flames but a rather accurate description of what the procreation situation actually is.

Breathing, urinating, eating, drinking, sleeping are all vital things for a human to do. If these things were abstained from, then the consequences would be severe. Do not compare such essential things with procreation. You will find no justification, nor validation there. Try not to make such unfounded comparisons. It does nothing for your case. These things are fundamental to ones personal health. It is procreation which is borne of an animalistic mind, especially when it is permitted and allowed to continue when faced with just obvious, valid, logical, highly apparent, and condemning evidence.

 

You sound like a hunter boasting of a days kill. Or is it your motivation to provoke me?

I pity you, and I feel for your seven victims.

 

Of course I'm trying to provoke you, silly!

 

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