Are any of you not vegetarians?

I hope all you vegans that are raising small children realize the importance of fats in the development of joints and neurological development in children. I am not clear on what vegans use to replace things like milk fats and animal proteins, in respect to child growth.

 

Wow. I never new all of those things. I feel bad because I

 

Sorry bout that last post. What I meant was that I feel bad because I'm not a vegitarian but I'm trying to cut back on meat. Peace and Love

 

dont worry its all bullshit anyway.. read the whole thread...

 

It's not all bull shit if you truly don't want to eat animal/fish flesh you don't have to, it's not going to save the polar bears but if it works for your ideology, that all that really counts. What you eat alone isn't going to stop the great boogieman "global warming". But you may feel better about coming face to face with a cow.

You may have problems facing carots.

 

this much is bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What exactly is it you see as bullshit?

 

look at my first post in this thread on page 2..

3 out of the 5 statements in the original post in this thread are out and out complete and total over the top bullshit lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!r

 

we are taking a hog to slaughter wednesday,we will ask the butcher how much water he uses..

i can guarantee you its not anywhere close to 29,800 gallons..

ya see for a pound of meat to use 1500 gallons of water,by my calculations,thats how much water the processor would have to use on a hog that yields 200 pounds of processed meat.that is taking into account that the hog has drank 2000 gallons over its lifetime.

as far as the 35 dollar a pound thing.. we purchase our feed from a local feed and seed,as i stated before it winds up costing us 2 dollars and 10 cents a pound for our processed meat.. are you telling me these huge farms that by there feed in bulk or grow there own feed pay 17 times what we do to raise there animals?? i think not, most large farms keep there costs down under a dollar and a half a day per animal. so say a cow,grow it a year,thats about 550 bucks that cow will yield around 700 pounds of meat to process that 700 pounds of meat costs under 30 cents a pound another 210 bucks at the most.. get your 5th grader to do the math,thats around a dollar a pound then its off to the stores .. keep in mind these numbers are the high end prices on large farms.

if one considers composted manure a waste,,then i suppose that the grain could be considered wasted,however generrally farms turn there waste into fertilizer for fields and crops,where do you think the bags of composted manure in a garden store come from?...

as a matter of fact the largest farms are using there manure to power there farms and they sell back to the electric companys.

one example.
http://www.dairynet.com/energy_resources/animal.php
..very enviromentally friendly.

id like to know on this in particular,where the waste is because anyone that is familiar with farming knows that the whole plant is used in feed, unlike for human consumption...

You wanna talk about waste?? this vegan human that started this thread wastes 90% of a corn plant,of soy plants,of wheat,most produce etc.unless of course he claims to eat the stalks,the cob,the stems and seed hulls... every part of the same plants go into feed..
hypocrasy at its finest.

so ya see,, this thread was started on complete falsehoods.. ergo,, BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

 

cant argue with the co2 comment,although i actually am surprised he quoted such a low number because in doing so he illustrated what a minimal impact conventional transportation as a whole has on co2 emissions.

as far as the water run off, here in the united states,the EPA doesn't allow near as much as one might think,as in little to none. farms cant fence to close to larger streams rivers etc.

as a matter of fact there is a farm in this county that failed to comply with the EPA and not only got fined out the ass by the EPA till he fixed his shit and repaired the damage done.then the land owners down stream were allowed to sue him over the damage from the runoff that went down. so ya see the system really doesnt allow for anything but negligable amounts of runoff anymore.

large farms are required to have lagoons or composting barns for there animal wastes.thats something to,most large farms recycle much of the water they use when possible.

this notion that farmers are wasteful people that dont care about the earth cracks me up. its obvious these people who make these statements have never spent any amount of time on a farm large or small..

i grew up on a 600 acre family farm,dilligaf worked on a dairy farm most of her adult life. when she left the business she was manager of a parlor that milked 600 cows a day.now we have a mini farm (15 acres)we are trying to make profitable but in the mean time are working, building and improving our herd and gardens etc. ..

im not saying we dont have issues with corporate farming,,but that is not the topic of this thread,nor does it have to do with the original post,so we wont go there..

we feel we are pretty knowledgeable on what gos on in farming and it kinda pisses us off when people make stupid statements like those in the OP of this thread.. whats worse is that people believe the statements to be fact..



ah the dumbing down of America reaches far and wide..

 

i make no claim to even imagine where anyone else is coming from, but i would like to point out that i am NOT saying anything AGAINST going meatless. only pointing out its inadiquacy as a panacea that would let us get away with not giving a dam about anything else!

(and yes, i HAVE seen FAR too many, acting as if they thought it was).

today's opium is the automobile. it is a fine seductive fantasy, to which people indenture themselves. unlike some fanatics i'm not calling every seductive fantasy evil; just calling it as i'm seeing it.

and there ARE things we can and have done right: the refrigerator, the personal computer, very narrow gauge railways, and wind, solar, geothermal and other totally noncombustion ways to power them.

we also need always to take into account the well being of all other species and the web of life they togather create and the dependence of our own existence upon it.

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Thanks, HippieHillbilly, good stuff. Maybe those statistics the vegetarians are throwing out there are based on the main stream artificial pre-processed bulllshit that's so common in grocery stores. It's not like that if you grow your own, or you get locally grown. Besides, how far does a hunk of tofu get you through the day, anyway?

 

well if it was artificial it wouldnt be meat now would it????

oh unless your vegan then its artificial meat.. i was thinking,,some of the biggest subsidies that the goverment hands out are to soybean farmers,not to mention wheat and rice.. so if subsidies are a issue to these vegans(it must be at least to the OP) that spew this garbage,,,should they not boycott there tofu and veggie burgers???

just how much would a veggie burger or a brain melting slab of tofu cost without those goverment subsidies?? hmmmmmmmmmm

hypocritical bullshit i tell ya...

 

interesting you should mention since the real veg/vegens, however they spell that, i do know, DON'T eat tofu or vegi-burgers, but a sufficient diversity of nonmeat sources of protien, like legumes AND shrooms AND avacadoes AND cheeses AND ..., to not need stuff like that, and DO grow their own, or buy from local farmer's markets or barter directly with growers.

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yes i am well aware that a true vegan is what is now termed a fruitatarian.. one who only eats that that does not kill the plant to harvest it.. also i am aware that there is a percentage of vegetarians who grow there own food just as we grow our own meat and veggies.and a percentage that abstain from processed food, however once again,this has nothing to do with the original post...

 

I don't buy into the idea of nonmeat sources of protein. Meat is meat, protein is protein, but protein is not meat. Buy locally grown meat...and locally grown veggies...

 

i am not a vegetarian... i eat meat when it is put in front of me. if that is what my mom is serving then that is what i eat. at home however i eat mostly fish, veggies and pb&fluff sanwiches ^_^.

 

It cant be that bad can it? i like to eat meat but not at if its done like that. can you help me figure out how much im costing i eat like 2 or 3 chickens a week and about 2 to 3 servings of red meat a day. please help me i woud like to cut down.

 

is anybody out there i want to know how i can help the animals in my area do i stop eating them or what is there a kind of meat i should be looking for?

 

eat whatever you want,, the statistics are bullshit...