Global warming and our screwed up planet!!

Why are humans so screwed up? 100,000 years ago our planet was perfect. Now by the end of the century 1/4 of all animals ( including us) could be extinct . Does anybody think humanity can turn it around???

 

There's an incredibly small chance that we're going extinct anytime soon.

 

You do know that with or without human interference this entire solar system will be turned into nothingness by the sun. Stop reading propaganda and actually investigate claims. Humans are pretty fucked up, but our planet has never been perfect, and this extinction is definitely not as rapid as you make it seem.

 

The concept of perfection isn't useful or applicable to nature. Nature is what it is.

We may well lose 1/4 or more of Earth's species over the next century or two. We, almost certainly, will survive as a species. There's no reason to think that humans will go extinct anytime soon.

Mutation is inevitable whether an environment is very hospitable or very inhospitable. Mutation has nothing to do with how favorable an environment is or is not.

Chris

 

Hey this is the guy who posted the thread. I was speaking on impulse and I made a few mistakes. Mutation is inevitable and 100,000 years ago the world was NOT perfect. Also humans AREN'T going extinct. All I meant to say was that our envirornment is REALLY screwed up. Peace and Love

 

Yes, there are problems in the world. Let's work to correct them

 

I think 1/4 of humans could be extinct by the end of the century, but not because of the environment, rather some deliberately released plague to cull the population. It's rather ironic that many of those in the environmental movement have called for a drastic reduction in the world's population (some have called for an 80-90% reduction), yet they seem to be concerned that we could all become extinct. Isn't that what they want?

 

An epidemic, even an extraordinarily bad one (hmmm, AIDS probably fits in here) isn't going to control world population or necessarily even put a much of a dent in population growth. The Bubonic plague, the worst epidemic the world has ever seen (that we have any kind of information on) killed 1/3 of Europe. The people that were lost, however, were replaced in 30 years due to population growth in the rest of the world. Europe was back to where is started in about a century.

I am a strong advocate for stabilization and eventually reduction of world population. Like many who feel similarly, I would much prefer that we control our population by being smart about the number of children we have (reduce births). This, at least to me, seems a far preferable option to letting nature's cruel laws limit our population, because nature most certainly will do so. Nature's means of population control include famine, conspecific aggression (war/murder/genocide) and pestilence. I hope very much to avoid all of that.

Chris

 

^ Then hopefully when the time comes, you and your family will willingly submit to sterilization (or euthanization) to save the earth. (IF you have any choice, that is.)

You even admit yourself that the earth will eliminate what it cannot handle, so what harm is posed to the earth when the earth has survived for billions of years through all weather extremes and is able to cleanse/rid itself of whatever poses a threat to it.

 

Do you mean to be as offensive as you are?

As I said, I favor smart family planning. I never said anything about sterilization or euthanization. It may help you to understand what I'm saying if you read what I have written.

Ultimately, nature will control our population if we don't and nature's methods are cruel ones. For that reason, I believe it would be far prefarable to engage in sensible family planning, so that we never have to deal with these problems.

Chris

 

And who will lead this "planning" you speak of?

Please watch this video I made on YouTube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYl4hkFRdTk

 

Well, being that I said "sensible family planning" I would suggest that families plan themselves...sensibly

On the video--I'm not sure what I to say. I think you are reading far, far too much into things and seriously misinterpreting people, but I don't think there's anything I could say to dissuade you from your interpretation.

If you are concerned about your civil liberties being threatened, I would take a long hard look at the current administration. The idea that the UN or a similar force is going to go "1984" on us though...c'mon now

cj

 

Oh, I have taken a good look at the current administration and realize it's the same as every administration which is controlled by the few at the top, who exist outside of the public eye. The same people who control the UN control the US government and puppets like Bush, and it's part of the dialectic for the two to appear different when they are in fact the same.

What do you know about the UN and the people who set up the UN? The UN was set up as the coming world government, to create international laws and regulations which are designed to erode national sovereignty, which would eventually lead to global governance. The environment is being used by the global elite to create international laws, combined with a global tax, to further this globalist agenda. These are the same people who have called for an 80% reduction of the world's population.

 

Well, I would say that this administration is very, very different than any other that has preceded it. The UN isn't anything close to a world government. Heck, we sent Bolten to the UN...

Concern for the environment and aversion to pollution is something deep-seated within humanity. If you go to a village in Papua New Guinea, or the middle of the Amazon, or some other place that has had little if any contact with the Western world you'll see that their villages are impecably clean despite none of the modern convenience. Keeping a village clean--dealing with pollution--is innate.

The modern environmental movement started as grassroots campaigns. Of course there are people that would LOVE to direct it, just like any sector of society, but it is bigger than any given group of people, regardless of their power or influence. Besides, the global elite tend to be favor business over environmental protection. The global elite are, for example, the wigs at ExxonMobil that have spent millions to give a false sense of uncertainty about the causes and implications of global warming, or Philipp Morris that gave a false sense of uncertainty about the effects of smoking. These are as close as anything to the "global elite" and they most certainly aren't using environmental movements to their advantage.

cj

 

I will respond to this in full tomorrow as I am rather tired and have had more than a few drinks tonight. But if you think this administration is any different than any other administration, it's because you're only paying attention to the superficialities. And as far as Bolton, he's a staunch globalist who merely appears to be against the UN. Let's keep in mind that it was Bush who signed us back on to UNESCO in 2002. Bush loves the UN, and so does his daddy, who called for a New World Order headed by the UN in 1990.