why do i still see them

i've only done acid once and i took two hits. this was like back in june. sometime (well most of the time) during my trip i kept seeing bugs and spiders everywhere. it scared the shit out of me. and now i still keep having these little sober hallucinations. especially when im tired or when its dark. i hate it.

so im planning on trying it again, when the times right. and try to condition myself into having a good trip... if thats possible.
and if it is, i dont know how im going to accomplish that if i still see that shit sober! oh my god, i just wish it would stop. i mean it doesnt scare me or anything because im sober and know nothings really there. but i'll still see it and it makes me feel all uneasy and worried. just thinking about it now is making me all itchy again as if theyre crawling all over me like on my trip

is there anything i could do? i know its all in my head... so there must be something...

 

and why couldnt i have sober hallucinations of all the cool shit i saw on lsd??

sigh.
of course not

 

I suggest maybe getting to know those bugs a little more, instead of allowing yourself to be creeped out by them. You control you own thoughts, and how you react to any experience. Learn to love bugs, and your life will improve.

Man, I wish I could be there and help you, just try to guide you through tripping. I'm just learning the ropes myself but I love the things I've learned. I want to help us all get higher, and live healthy, sensible, loving lives.

 

im not even THAT freaked out by them anymore. it just happens out of nowhere, not even thinking about them, and there they are, on the sidewalk or something. an ass load of them just squirming around.
it more of the fact that there are so many of them than anything.

i want to burn every single one of those sons of bitches.

 

I'm a little confused. Are you hallucinating actual bugs or are you feeling trippy when you see bugs. Sorry!

As for good trips. don't trip unless you KNOW you're going to have good trip. Deal with the bug issue first. Confront bugs, learn about bugs etc etc etc. Take out a bugs life on dvd heh heh just kidding.

And i agree with teh whoel "learn to like/lovethe bugs" thing.

When i'm tripping my usual "yaargh a buig get it off me" feelings just turn into "woah cool man bugs from the nature of life are crawling over me part of teh fabric of existence yadda yadda some such hippy one with the universe sh*t"

Its a really great feeling.

 

if your seeing those types of hallucinations this much longer after you've tripped....my advice to you would be to never do psychedelics again...

does your family or you have any history of mental illness, extreme or otherwise?

 

I'd have to agree with PsycheMike...you may be prone to schizophrenia.
But in that contrast...isn't that funny that LSD used to be used to treat schizophrenia?
Just maybe avoid talking to psychologists/psychiatrists if you have to....they will pump you up with drugs you don't waaant...lol

 

I still suggest instead of wanting to burn them, pick them up, study them, until you come to peace with them. I let moths, spiders, and other bugs crawl all over my now if they want. I become more and more comfortable with it. One of these days I think I'm gonna get a tarantula for a pet, because they used to freak me out. Conquer your fears and you will be unstoppable!

PS Bugs are everywhere, sometimes crawling on our backs or in our hair withotu us even knowing it. One benefit of lsd is an increased awareness of everything, so maybe you are just now tuning into the insect world that was always around you. Some people become more aware of the dirt and dust in their lives, but for you it's the bugs.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to go out and get to know and love bugs. They ain't going anywhere, believe me. Probably be around well after we're gone. Get to love bugs, and you're life will get better and better. Love whatever else makes you uncomfortable. For me I guess that's being responsible and working hard. I'm a lazy guy but the lesson I need to learn is to be dependable, present, and there for my friends and family.

By taking lsd you've unknowingly begun a series of quests that will slowly increase your feeling inner peace as you get to love the world on the road to enlightenment. It's a long road, and it's just begining.

PS, you don't need any more drugs! Caffeine, lsd, alcohol. It's all there if you want it, but you only need your mind to get ahead, to become more loving and therefore enlightenment.

DRUGS THEMSELVES DON'T LEAD TO ENLIGHTENMENT BUT THEY ARE A POSSIBLE ROUTE WITH A CORRECTLY EDUCATED MINDSET.

Travel the path you are most comfortable with, and always go with the intention of a kind traveler who heals and helps when he can but also loves himself and his world and aims to become wiser and stronger.

I hope this reaches you and finds you at a good time when you can take what you can from it. I hope my words help you, because you have everything you need between your ears. Believe it man, and it's yours!

 

I wish you luck, I agree you should get to know them. Psychadelics are to teach. Or ignore them and maybe they will go away, do what is best for you. If you are in it just to trip, be weary, my mom's friend freaked out a week after tripping suddenly. Didn't find him for five hours...when he was found on the beach missing his wallet passed out.
"You control you own thoughts, and how you react to any experience"
The above quote bothered me, because it is the biiggest load and the first thing I learned from salvia. If this were true there would be no smokers or addicts, we'd alweays be happy, but your mind has a mind of its ow. Hell, If people could controll their thoughts then I and millions of others wouldn't have depression. It's just an ignorant statement.

 

I take insult to you calling my advice bull, but you are young and have much to learn, as was true for me at 16. Yes, you can control your thoughts, when you can learn to search your soul, your subconscious mind, and remove the clutter holding you back from doing so.

Love is the path of light that will set you free. Love yourself, even when you're depressed, and love everything you currently hate.

http://www.amazon.com/Lazy-Guide-Enlightenment-Thaddeus-Golas/dp/0553263587

I recommend this book because it worked for me and made it all very clear. My life has improved tremendously in every way as my consciousness has expanded. It will happen for you too if you desire it.

 

Dude hes tripped once, and that was months ago, and hes still getting hallucinations in the form of bugs of all things. Fuck studying the bugs. Spray the shit out of them with pesticides. Having your consciousness expanded is great in many ways. But if your still seeing things after that long your mind definatly doesnt handle L the way most peoples mind does. I dont want to see you or anyone break down with LSD scitzophrenia and become another statistic. Dont take it again man trust me. My friend had scitzophrenia and he hung himself in his room...he couldnt take it. Its not a fun condition. Just dont do it.

 

I am going to agree with PsychMyke on this one, if she is seeing stuff long after the shit is in her system, the tripping again is not a good idea at all.
I mean, what the fuck will she see next. She may have already "short circuited" something as it is. Besides, if she had a bad trip because she saw bugs and she still sees them, she is setting herself up for a bad trip.

 

I re-read the post and realize that she means a hallucination and not that she's seeing bugs more often than she did before (as many people report noticing dust everywhere or other things they overlooked pre-lsd), and I agree that you should avoid psychedelics if this is the result, but at least try to become comfortable with the bugs that you see and they may disappear, just as distortion will often go away when you stop concentrating on it and just accept it and let it leave your mind. I mean what does she have to lose by just saying "okay these bugs are weird but I don't mind them"? I think these visions will stop with time, but don't get freaked out and don't respond violently to them (ie pesticide) in the mean time, as that will make it worse IMO.

But stay away from acid now, I would not try it again if I was you. Give yourself time and try what I've said if the visions do reoccur.

 

you guys make it sound like im crazy.




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I suppose every discussion has two sides, but don't listen to doom. Lsd is like...light, in that it can show you the door, illuminate it so you can find it, but you have to walk through it. I think you should confront/learn to love the bugs as well. A trait i've noticed from my expieriences with the drug is that if you have a personal demon, say a fear of bugs, it will make you confront it. Love is the key man, and your mind really is the key. Have you ever seen a Movie called "The Secret"? If you haven't, i recomend it. also, check on the family history, don't chance sending yourself to the loony bin.

 

I'm not going to actually disadvice LSD to you, but I'm not advicing it either. You know the bugs aren't real? Because then thats not really psychosis in a way, as psychosis is when you are convinced it ís real. A friend of mine has psychosis and he can freak out about something not that and it'll take hours to convince him its not there and even then he's not really believing me or other friends.
But thats besides the point. Whatever it is; wether it be flashbacks or a sign of possible psychosis.. its not very good either way. Of just one trip you shouldn't get visual flashbacks like that. If you try again; just be aware of the fact you might actually get more serious problems with your mental health. Either that; or it might just be innocent flashbacks; but that is hard to tell, and its gambling with your mind in this caze.
I advice only using if you're positive you're not prone to developing schizophrenia.

 

i thought there would be some more considerate answers...

look, it was your first time taking acid. i know it was nothing like id imagined, so i can imagine your experience was similarly unexpected (though imagination is not always right). Seeing a particular hallucination is very different to schizophrenia, which is so much more than some repetitive, montonous hallucination.

i think you should explain the insects more. what insects are they? are they very clear and distinct and detailed, or is it just the general sense of insects, with generic/unspecific, shifting bugs seeming to ripple over certain surfaces?

i think if you recon you could handle the acid trip better with the understanding that you may have gained from the experience (and then the reconfiguration back to our shared reality) then your next acid/psychedelic trip you may be able to reverse the emotional link. it really is up to you what plan you take, but just remember that taking acid again wont necessarily make you go crazy, there is a possibility you can reverse the effect (though maybe pick up something else? assumedly not if you learn enough inner-contentment to overcome the insects. remember, you know the insects are not real now, to the point where you could easily recognise them as fake through the annoyance that you have gained over this sober time. when you took the acid, the fact that they were not real might not have seemed very rational/important when the sensation of them crawling over you was so penetrating.

 

maybe i could be of some help by telling you this short story...

i was tripping with some friends at my house many years ago. this was not the first time i tripped but the first time with my friend. i was having a great time - a little freaked out but loving it. i was sitting on the couch tripping out when my friend called me outside. he said you have got to come check this out. he said that he could see a bunch of bug like creatures out side. he took me to the spot that he saw them and told me to look down where he saw them. at first i saw nothing then all of a sudden there they were. i jumped and turned to him and said "you asshole, you did that on purpose". what happened was that he put an idea in my head. he saw something and believed that i could see it to. when i looked i was looking for these bugs that he was talking about. i saw them because i expected to see them.

what i am trying to say is that what you are seeing is your own creation. your imagination is playing tricks on you and believe it or not you are in control. the reason why you cant stop seeing them is because you are obsessing over them. you are seeing them because you dont want to. not wanting to see them is in a way making you see them. because in order to not want to see them you must first believe that you cant stop seeing them. so because you are expecting to see them you do.

try imagining something else instead of the bugs. your imagination is definitely in your control - hard to work with sometimes but your imagination is yours to work with.


if you were to believe that they will just disappear they will. it might be easier to imagine something else in place of the bugs.

 

Actually I very much agree with 3xi, I had the same thing on LSD with different things, like that I said the sand on a beach looked like toes sticking out, and someone said they looked like teeth and suddently they all turned into sand coloured lower jaws.

I'm not exactely sure if it counts for when sober aswell, but I heared that from not-great trips or bad trips flashbacks are more likely to occur, now I never had a bad trip so I can't prove that for myself (yet?), but I don't think you have psychosis already, because if you had psychosis you'd think the bugs were real.

I do agree that you should maybe try investigate them further first, try and gain the control back. If you cán it might be safe to try lsd again, if you cannot.. its probably not worth the risk of it getting worse.

 

no. but i read the book. i get it and everything but in this case, it seems so hard to control my mind

every kind of insect you can imagine, rats too. Most of the time they were moving around like whatever insect i happened see them as. On my trip they were really detailed and realistic. but not as much now, it more like a general sense of them.

yeah that kind of happened to me too. the very, very first part of my trip was fine. Then i started looking at the carpet because it looked sort of 3D and my friend had these wires on the floor that im guessing was for his gamecube controllers :/ and there were a bunch of them under a dimly lit room so i was like 'these look like bugs' and lo and behold, they turned into squirming insects, along with everything else.

i totally agree with you, that im just obsessing over it. its kind of like what thealicerabbit was trying to say with 'the secret'

I'm trying really hard not to obsess over them. but it's like im walking down the street, not thinking about anything relevant to insects, and i look down only to see another weak hallucination of them.
and this follows by me freaking out a little bit inside and getting really itchy :[