Lord Shiva is the Guru, the immanent absolute reality of His all pervasive consciousness of sat-cit-ananda, filters through men to expose the finite minded to this unseen reality. Regardless of the human vehicle, it is always God's consciousness they bear witness to, depending of course on their level of realization and the depth of their sacrificial availment and devotion to God.
Dear friend, it is not about being a God. There is no "a God". God is "being", the being of consciousness. The Guru is a vehicle for that consciousness, as I said depending on their level of divine consciousness evolution. Some professed Gurus have none, but as the sansrkit word Guru is defined, a Guru is a dispeller of darkness, with the light of divine consciousness, sat-cit-ananda. So think what you wish, but technically, an actual and genuine Guru is a human who disseminates divine knowledge via their own possession of divine consciousness because they themselves are a vehicle for said consciousness. Tim Leary was called a Guru, and in fact I would deem him one. His consciousnesss definitely reflected the attainment of some authentic levels of divine consciousness attained through the LSD, and so his stance of proseletyizing the LSD as a way to those states was valid. I should know, I used his techniques thoroughly before turning to the Kundalini. The only problem here is that authentic "Guruhood" is basically permanent, and Leary's trip to the joint ruined his. My dear friend and brother Tim Leary got a good taste of the divine, but without a method beyond the acid to keep him there, he suffered. But more to the issue, the Guru is not a God, the Guru is a vehicle for the expression of God's mind. Namaste Yogin Bhairava Atmabhoda Sarasvati
im not exactly sure what you said at the end(chant?) but wouldn't a guru also be anyone who is in possession of, and/or uses their knowledge and experience to guide people?
Defining the term Guru in the sense you are speaking of Pushit is not what it is actually indicative of. A Guru is not one who has knowledge of anything, that is what the 'modern' mind of man has relegated it as. That is something more like what we call a teacher, someone who has acuired knowledge of a particular subject or trade, and in turn shows others. This is not what is meant by Guru. The Guru isn't in 'possession' of knowledge about divine consciousness, the consciousness a true Guru 'is' that Divine Consciousness. And that's not a chant, its 'Namaste' then his name. Peace, Love, Om. Yogin Dvaita Jnana
The word Guru as defined by the spiritual culture that originated it means vehicle for divine consciousness, as ditmog said. Yes, it has become mis-construed to imply a teacher or whatever, but the word Guru in essence means much more. That is why I said what I said originally, that the Guru will always be God, because the Guru is supposedly always only a vehicle for the expression of the divine consciousness of Lord Shiva. The "true Guru" is always qualitively egoless. But it depends on their level of awareness. Today, the word Guru means anyone who is an authority on something, just like the word Mantra is taken to mean a word repeated over and over again. A Mantra is a divine word, and a Guru is a human who is a vehicle for the expression for the reality of God's consciousness, as defined by the Tantrics, the only people who still employ them genuinely today.
Hare Krishna! All, such nice posts ! And it is so nice to know about Yogi Bhairava (Sorry, never read you before). All say the same thing but understanding becomes different because of our levels of enlightment. For some Sri Ramakrishna is right and for some Sri Aurobindo is right and some try to find the comparison between Vedanta teachings and Lord Christ. Yogi Bhairava so nicely says it's the being, it is the conciousness, Jedi says God is Guru and someone emphatically says, "Soham" meaning he is God and God is him. So, someone attains that level of understanding and merges with his Guru or he can probably say that 'You alone can be your only true Guru'. Carrier (Guru) can only give the seed and is certainly important but it all becomes useless if the receiver neglects and makes no use or wrong use of it. "Sarvang Khalwidang Brahman", so everything -animate or inanimate- is embodiment of that divine consciousness. Everything, everybody is a Guru but can we see everything in that light and knowledge? That is where the level of understanding and the difference between Lord Christ and us comes. Even after the cruelty of crucifixion he could forgive them (Seeing the manifestation of the same divine consciousness) and did not curse or hate them. And where we stand, our one single day of walk in this life will tell us that how much we faulter each and every day. Chaitanya is Guru and for that someone can help but we and we alone have to sincerely try. It is of no use even if my father is Sri RamaKrishna, if I do not try for it. With love, Kumar.
i for one have never studied or practiced any religion,yet i feel i must agree,with all of the above. you see,"GOD",made himself quite apperant me,at a very young age. being relatively poor,i was never spoiled with toys ,and spent most of my life isolated from the worldly goings on. so when i look at the world i see what it is, with no presumtions of whats right or wrong! you "know" with all your being whats wrong or right! my sig for example,never heard of the guy,just came upon it one day and "know" it to be true! i prefer the turm "universal mind" to "god",and i believe it is a true natural instinct we neglect to listen too! because we are taught at a very young age many, if not all ,of or natural instincts are bad! your instincts are the "universal mind". civilized man has conveniently made them illegal!
Namaste Gdkumar, The simple point of the original thread is that a true Guru, is always actually going to be a vehicle for the consciousness of Siva, and it all depends on their level of sadhana advancement. The reference here is towards the level of divine consciousness animating the Guru, not his name, past karmas or whatever. Of course, what one gets from any guru depends on the dedication and karma of the student. But again, this is not the point of the thread. I'm simply emphasizing that the complete fructified Guru, is going to be an expression of the sat-cit-ananda mind of Siva, and as such is an expression of the divine consciousness that animates the universe as God. I am an intiated disciple of Swami Satyananda of Bihar, have beed following a Tantric Sadhana for 11 years, and have written on the subject of Kundalini and divine self realization. Namaste, Yogin Bhairava Atmabhoda Sarasvati
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