UFOs over Stratford upon Avon!

what do you all think of this ? .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0yRtc5_O4

 

i'm honestly not sure if i believe in ghosts at all. i figure if there were such things as ghosts then there'd be ALOT more of them considering how long the earth has been around and how many people have died here.

that being said however... there was ONE video (that was determined not to have been faked) that i saw on some program (can't remember what it was) about ghosts being fiction. even the presenters of this 'debunking' program said that this video was unexplainable. the one thing that strikes me (about this vid you have linked to) is that there were a lot of particles in the air. now the one in the vid you just linked to could just be bits of dust. the one i saw on this program had THOUSANDS of particles floating in the air in and seeming to be 'attracted' to the area that the 'abnormality' came from.

i agree with Jon in one respect. I think that there are lots of things that occur that people immediately decide are paranormal, psychic, or 'of whatever god-like being they believe in' ... many if not all of these things can usually be explained with rational and logical thinking. some come up with scientific reasons, etc.
however, i don't think that EVERYTHING can just so easily be chocked up to science and say that nothing abnormal or 'freaky' (as i'd put it) ever happens. there are some things that do happen that i think are just unexplainable. maybe at their core there is some science behind it, but it might be a far off explaination that we humans just haven't discovered yet.

(hopefully that all made sense ... felt like i was rambling). :tongue:

 

I guess the only way to debunk this theory would be if the lights rose in altitude, which is difficult to tell (especailly with the video quality). Since the lights would be reflecting from the clouds, it'd be "two dimensional" and altitude differences wouldn't be possible.

I also think Lithium has a point about the floaty fire things (can't remember what they're called). I'd liked to have seen where the lights went after the video finished, since that'd give more of a clue as to their origin.

 

not rambling at all danielle ........good points ........did you see the little boy or girl spirit at the top of the stairs ? surely that was"nt dust . if you look closely at the particles also which i agree can be dust what about the very bright ones (have they been mr sheened ) :tongue:

 

I'd agree with you wholeheartedly there Danielle. One of the central ideas of the "Brights" movement is the recognition that there is no need to invoke any kind of supernatural explanation for anything that happens in the universe, and that the very idea is rationally unintelligible.

That's not to say that everything is understood - very, very, very far from it, particularly in the subatomic and quantum realm. It's just to say that the things that happen that we don't understand are almost certainly bound by natural laws we haven't discovered yet. If a phenomenon manifests itself in the universe then it is a natural phenomenon by definition. If it doesn't manifest itself in the universe then, frankly, why would you want to even speculate about it since we can have no access to it and it can have nothing whatsoever to do with us. But the moment you talk about something humans can perceive or which affects us in any way, you are by definition talking about an aspect of nature, whether we understand it or not. This is why the very idea of "the supernatural" makes no rational sense.

As for ghosts, deja vu, freaky coincidences that seem uncannily like psychic connections or fate, etc, there is no need to even delve into the areas of physical science we don't yet comprehend for explanations. They are explained perfectly well according to psychology and neuroscience and are almost certainly simple misperceptions and illusions. This we can say because they tend to fit perfectly with our evolved psychological mechanisms, our innate assumptions about agency, personhood, threat detection and social reasoning for instance.

 

at any rate, reality is crazy enough.

 

I live near stratford upon avon and although not seeing these apparant "lights", I have seen unexplainable things, i.e: lights, in the past nearby. Not far away, is Kineton, a munitions site heavely guarded and closed off to everyone. A lot of airial activity has been observed near there over the years. Most of it, unexplained.

 

darm. i was really hoping they were on the shakespeare tour.

 

It's funny how only the west seem to be engrossed with such phenomina. You don't get the same interest in say India or Nepal. Then again maybe in 20 - 30 years time when American and European technology becomes available we may see a change in culture there too.

 

i've lived in new mexico, i've driven by area 51. i'm doomed to being interested.

 

I'm not being dismissive of strange and unique phenomina that cannot be explained in any true empherical and logical way. The fact that Area 51 exists can, in one way explain the fasination of such interest in UFO's.

 

it's fun. it's like folklore. hell, even my husband who never believes in anything saw one and is a believer now. i never saw it, i was too preoccupied by him lifting his diminutive mother over a wall by her ass so she could see it, too. it was REALLY funny.

 

the video just showed a bunch of dots in the sky, could be anything at all

 

better maybe !

 

lol

 

Ah the Daily Mail!!!

 

I don't believe aliens have ever visited Earth. The liklihood of that is remote if Einstein's theory of relativity is accurate and if faster than light travel is impossible. It might, of course, be wrong, but I still find it unlikely. By probabilities, though, taking into acount how many millions of stars there are in our galaxy and how many millions of galaxies there are, I consider it almost a statistical certainty that alien life exists somewhere....

 

Due to time dilation if you were travelling at almost 99% the speed of light your experience of a journey of several light years would pass for you in a matter of months..of course observers outside your ship would still note that it takes you seven years to complete a 7 ly journey, but not for YOU it would seem like months not years...

It is theoretically possible for a mass to travel at 99.9% light speed, there are many star systems within just 20 light years...don't rule out the interplanetary logistical capabilities of sufficently advanced species....

 

The chances of life existing somewhere else in the universe have to be pretty high - even if the odds of life developing on a given planet were a billion to one that would mean a billion planets with life because the known universe is so huge.

But the problem is the vastness of the universe - the chances of life occurring on a planet within range of earth is vanishingly insignificant, and the kind of life we're talking about is most likely to be single cell organisms anyway not complex life and still less likely will it be intelligent complex life. The chances of there being intelligent complex life within 20 light years that has also worked out how to travel at near the speed of light ... nah.

Such 'alien' sightings are however very easily explained with reference to human nature and well defined aspects of our psychology - same with ghosts, same with gods.