Jesus Is not God

Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God,
the second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible
which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis
for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge
you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following
conclusions are not drawn out of context:

1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of
a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and
hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither
the son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows
all. His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his
own admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is
clear proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is
therefore not God.

2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he
said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of
himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he
said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my
judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of
the Father which hath sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only
all-powerful, He is also the source of all power and authority. That
Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is
not God.

3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was
one whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend
unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St.
John 20:17. He is also reported to have cried out while on the
cross, "My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If
Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast
thou forsaken me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus
prayed the Lord's prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself?
When in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be
possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but
as thou wilt." Matt 26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That
Jesus, of his own admission and by his own actions, acknowledged,
worshipped, and prayed to another being as God is clear proof that
Jesus himself is not God.

4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said
that this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen
God at any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice
at any time nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St.
John 4:24. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had
seen or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and
heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God.

5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct
from his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater
than I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17,
Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but
one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions
between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came
from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42.
Jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than
his equality with God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but
thine be done" and in St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but
the will of the Father which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit
that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was
directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as
greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in
deference to affirming the will of another, give clear proof that
Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.

Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus
is not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon
what basis have you come to believe otherwise?

My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity
is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as
presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect
unity.

If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship
to Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.

What is the word of God about Jesus:

A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they
are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to
Him! When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is.
(Qur'an 19:34,35).

And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You
have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh
rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh
fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful
a son; and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is
there in the heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a
servant (Qur'an 19:88-93).

Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness;
He created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was.
(Qur'an 3:59).

People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and
say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary,
was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to
Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers.
and say not, 'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One
God. Glory be on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs
that which is in the heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a
guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)

B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take
me and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be
Glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed
said it, You knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not
know what is within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only
said to them what You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your
Lord." And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them;
but when You did take me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are
the witness of everything. (Quran 5:116,117)

C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither
crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who
are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him,
they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and
they did not slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up
to Him; God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of
the Book but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on
the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an
4:156-159)

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Wow, what great points you've raised. If only this was explained several million times in the Bible and all other Christian text.

 

heshmantzo, you have truly done good research, and althought that is not my intention, I an I can not think of, (or find) any verse in the Bible to contradict what you have said. I an I have no intention of offending anyone so apologize in advance if I an I do. Well done heshmantzo!

 

You are all off the bigger issue here. God as the immanent divine appears through many vehicles that have a consciousness vector callled a finite self. When this being exhibits divine capacities, he or she is called an avatar. To Fed up American, to say that God is never seen or known is absurd. The problem is with the mental filter that people carry around as their self of mind, which God Himself allows in order for his very immanent reality to be srceened from our awareness. So it appears that we are individual beings who navigate as such around in the physical world.
All religious precepts, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Jew, are evolved cultural structures that despite having a source of divinity at their helms, do not expose the follower to the totality of the immanent divine that actually comprises all reality.
Only complete Kundalini awakening through Yoga Tantra does, because the "practice" nets in "Divine SELf Realization".
This spiritual mess can never be resolved through thought. It must come as a form of complete consciousness transformation "SAMADHI". This is no Hindu or Indian concept.
It is instead the removal of the veil of the mental filter of thinking.
Christ as an incarnation of God, was as much of God as he was supposed to be.
Only authentic spiritual realization of ones self will tell you who and what Christ really represented, or what "Karmic Roles" religions ultimately serve.

 

No they didn't.

http://www.iiie.net/node/23

He or she just are good at google-ing. Can we please stick to posting our own thoughts, or if we blatantly use copy and paste arguments, can we at least aknowledge it?

 

Possibly, but someone had to do the work, and as far as I an I can tell he/she/they did it themselves. Peace

 

heshamzanto, you cannot experience God through a book. God is all reality as an Immanent Divine Consciousness, just as Yogin Bhairava has stated. All the quotes in the world will never add up to a complete understanding of God. This is because it is beyond the comprehension of thought. The only way to truly 'know' God is to realize, as a conscious living experience, this Inner Divine Consciousness of God, through a Yoga Tantra Sadhana. Thoughts about God, philosophies, and quotations are never going to give you the experience of God Consciousness, Heaven, Samadhi.

 

My point wasn't to refute the info, but to call this post what it basically is... :spam:

 

You very well could be right, judging by the way this is written, length, and a few other obvious give-aways chances are that it is indeed (at least mostly) copy and pasted, what I meant though is that, although I can't say I necessarily agree, this person did a job of proving their point. I hope it doesn't seem as though I am arguing with you, if it does I apologize

 

Nope, you are wrong!!

Jesus is God and I will tell you why. Read the beginning of JOHN.

Jesus is refferred to as the WORD. This clearly states that Jesus is God and there is no twisting it around!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (John 1:1). And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth (John 1:14). And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God (John 1:34).
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(AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!) GOD CAME DOWNIN HUMAN FORM..

some of this was copied and pasted and soem was not. I dont' care..i needed to find the scriptures while i was online..

Also in Hebrews chapter 10, God calls Jesus God..Go read it if you don't believe me..I'm not trying to offend anyone either..just sayin..Islam and Christianity are sort of enemies you know..so..of course a Muslim would come on here trying to distort Christianity and try to get you to believe things that arent true bout it..no offense..but duh..

God the father, God the Son, and God the holy spirit.



1.Paul described Jesus as "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13; NIV has "our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ").

1. "God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory" (I Timothy 3:16; see verse 15 for further confirmation that God is the subject of verse 16). God was manifest (made visible) in flesh; God was justified (shown to be right) in the Spirit; God was seen of angels; God was believed on in the world; and God was received up into glory. How and when did all of this happen? In Jesus Christ.

Also, Jesus is called the Son and he is called the way, the truth and the light, and life..

Why do you think the SUN shines so bright, without it there is darkness..Jesus is God.

That what I believe.

 

Thank you.

 

Let me get this straight;

God created the universe and everything in it right?
Then later on he gave moses the 10 commandments right?
Then one day god was flying by and he saw Mary, the wife of Joseph and knocked her up right?
after god told us not to do that shit in the 10 commandments... right?
A child was born, and he turned out to be his own father right?

This guy Pissed everyone off later in his life so they crucified him, and years later,if you telepathically communicate with this Jewish zombie and accept him as your lord and master he will remove an evil force from you that was put there by a rib woman who was conned into eating an apple by a talking snake.... right?

 

Not exactly.

 

The King James or the 42nd street version?

 

Despite nearly accurate rip-offs from stand-up comedians coupled with standard internet "lol imaginary friend" arguments, the issue is addressed often by the bible and other Christian literature.

 

Ah blah blah blah..the only thing childlike in these forums is YOU.

You come to Christian forums just to sabotage them.

Get a life.Sheesh.

 

The being of Christ, although originally brought to light by Biblical scripture, is beyond and outside of that written text. The Bible is a book, and is not absolute in its entire context. Christs being is immanently absolute, if you have been fortunate to realize his source, the Father, as immanent divine reality. I know of Jesus the being, far beyond what the Bible can reveal. In a big way, cultural Bible intepretation has become a block in the way Jesus's mission and purpose has been understood.
Whoah unto you scribes and pharasees, for neither ye enter in, nor do you allow others too. This about sums up present day Christianity and "all" Biblical viewing.

 

Whatever, I can not argue against the guitar man, it is against my beliefs...

 

How can Jesus be the son of God if he is God?
Almighty surely has it's limits, or otherwise, it is plain bullshit.

 

No...God has 3 personalities I guess so to speak..

Its like us, we have mind, body, and soul..

God is 3 in one as well,

The father, Son, and the Holy Spirit..

But one can not believe Jesus is the son of God, without the Holy Spirit.

I guess if you don't believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins and that he is God, then you will never understand it. =/..(because you wont have the Holy Spirit unless you accept Christ..)

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